i just saw the other thread about weither it fits or not, but it made me wonder something...

ive seen the chain myself in a store, and have wondered, can you cut it with bolt cutters? is there weak points where you could break it open without too much effort?

i want something to secure my bike at home (apt), wont be taking the lock to stores ect w/ me. i usually leave it at my buddies w/ a garage but once in a while i'll take it home if i plan on riding the next day early morning, so i want some security.

i did see that one review done w/ one of the companies but that seems to be the only one, is there anyone else that can vouch for it?

 

isn't that whole point of that chain? to be pretty damn "uncuttable"


if you can cut through it with bolt-cutters, whats stopping a thief from doing the same?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SpeedLine &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you can cut through it with bolt-cutters, whats stopping a thief from doing the same?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats the point dummy. He's not asking if he can break his own chain, but how safe it is against theft.

 

If a thief wants your bike, they'll take it.

The point is to make that as difficult as possible. I had two locks and two disc locks for my Superhawk. Yeah, it's not a very desirable bike, but I'm sure no thief wanted to deal with all that crap.

Always have an anchor point for the krypto chain to go through - otherwise the thieves could pick your bike up and carry it to the truck/van.

 

Why carry a ginormous bolt cutter that'd still take almost an hour to actually cut thru the Kryptonite chain when you can carry one of these?



Should cut thru the chain in under a minute.

 

hopefully the owner would notice the sound associated with that .

 

Bicycling magazine did a test with a bunch of locks a few years ago... the application was different, but you're dealing with the same problem. The magazine tested with somebody who wanted to remain anonomys who had a bit of experience with locks in New York.

One piece of information you don't hear very often that was offered was that if a theif can't get your bike in under 1 minute then it's too much trouble (again, this was bicycles but I think the everything transfers over very well). Anything more than that and the risk of getting caught goes up very, very quickly. The Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit was the only lock the 'tester' couldn't get through in under a minute - pretty much the only way to get through the chain is a power tool, and you can't really bring something like a grinder with a cut off wheel to a safeway parking lot. If the theif has pneumatic bolt cutters in the truck then you're pretty much screwed no matter what you've got... but that's not 9 out of 10 lifters. The chain, pretty much, is one of the best you can buy.

The EV Disc lock that Krpytonite sold for a long time to go with it was the weak point - it could be pic'd with a Bic pen. That issue was corrected (and handled VERY well by Krpytonite) but I'm not sure that I'd trust one quite yet. Best shot is to find another lock that minimizes possible cut points.

 

^^its funny you said that the ny chain was the only one that couldnt be cut.

bc this magazine also did a test, in which it was in fact cut in under a minute: http://www.almax-security-chai...e.php

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EGlovr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^^its funny you said that the ny chain was the only one that couldnt be cut.

bc this magazine also did a test, in which it was in fact cut in under a minute: http://www.almax-security-chai...e.php</TD></TR></TABLE>

A website selling a security chain, that says all the other chains suck. Wow, thats reputable information to go on..... certainly not a biased source.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EGlovr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^^its funny you said that the ny chain was the only one that couldnt be cut.

bc this magazine also did a test, in which it was in fact cut in under a minute: http://www.almax-security-chai...e.php</TD></TR></TABLE>

Plus different methods could totally mean apples to oranges.. shoot, even same method, different thieves could mean another outcome.

Plus, do you know how big an Almax chain is? The Kryptonite is as far as I wanna carry. (EDIT: If a Krypto chain was that large, it'd probably be just as tough or tougher.) Unless ofcourse it was always chained to my parking stall or something and I just left the chain there.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EGlovr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^^its funny you said that the ny chain was the only one that couldnt be cut.

bc this magazine also did a test, in which it was in fact cut in under a minute: http://www.almax-security-chai...e.php</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

A website selling a security chain, that says all the other chains suck. Wow, thats reputable information to go on..... certainly not a biased source.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What he said. What magazine? That's a marketing website.

I also didn't say that it couldn't be cut.

*edit*

The Kryptonite Chain is about $75... the Almax 1mm version is, after the conversion (since it's not sold here) is about double that. Make that 150% and 200% if you want the 1.5 or the 2.0mm chains respectively (prices are the Series IV, the series III is only marginally cheaper). And also, as mentioned, how big are the actual chains?

I think it's important to retain perspective here. I don't remember who it was, but somebody above mentioned that the point of a lock is to deter a theif.. there's no such thing as an unbreakable lock. And if you want to get snippy, 42 seconds leaves about 18 seconds to pick the bike up and put it in a van before you start running the risk of drawing some serious attention to yourself (sure, the minute is variable, but the point is there)



Modified by ASteele2 at 6:28 PM 11/22/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A website selling a security chain, that says all the other chains suck. Wow, thats reputable information to go on..... certainly not a biased source.</TD></TR></TABLE> uuhhh Ride magazine (uk) did a test almost identical and almax still came out on top

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ASteele2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What magazine? </TD></TR></TABLE> see above

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ASteele2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I also didn't say that it couldn't be cut.</TD></TR></TABLE> in under a minute. excuse me

 

^ would you like to offer something constructive, or just snot about and point out that you can spend a ton more money on something only marginally better?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ASteele2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^ would you like to offer something constructive, or just snot about and point out that you can spend a ton more money on something only marginally better?</TD></TR></TABLE> you're starting to sound like #9, so im done.

im pointing out that the ny chain could be cut in under a minute

 

I have snot in my nose, would you like to get it out for me Steele?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ASteele2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^ would you like to offer something constructive, or just snot about and point out that you can spend a ton more money on something only marginally better?</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EGlovr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> you're starting to sound like #9, so im done.

i only gave that website to show that the ny chain could be cut in under a minute</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. However, if you're going to put an arrogant tone in your posts then expect an equally curt response.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ASteele2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. However, if you're going to put an arrogant tone in your posts then expect an equally curt response. </TD></TR></TABLE>arrogant tone lol. its the internet man. dont be so sensitive.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Cjanik &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i just saw the other thread about weither it fits or not, but it made me wonder something...

ive seen the chain myself in a store, and have wondered, can you cut it with bolt cutters? is there weak points where you could break it open without too much effort?
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Not with regular old bolt cutters. You'd need some hydraulic powered cutters or something.... The chain itself can't be cut with something that wouldn't be loud enough to warn you/your neighbors.

I'd say the weakest point is the pad lock itself, or if the chain isn't left taught... meaning fully extended (so I've heard).

I have one and love it....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EGlovr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> uuhhh Ride magazine (uk) did a test almost identical and almax still came out on top</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats nowhere on the site you linked - only an award from the magazine as a best buy, as is one of the other chains listed in the comparison.

The fact remains that its a company's website trying to sell you something - of course they are going to tell you that they are better than their competition. I bet kryptonite's website says the same damn thing.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thats nowhere on the site you linked - only an award from the magazine as a best buy, as is one of the other chains listed in the comparison.

The fact remains that its a company's website trying to sell you something - of course they are going to tell you that they are better than their competition. I bet kryptonite's website says the same damn thing.</TD></TR></TABLE> point taken

 

Anyway.. no matter which lock and chain you may have.. use it or lose it.

 

Insurance.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by marmaladeboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Insurance. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Full Coverage FTW.

I didnt lose any sleep when i had my ITR, I'm not going to with my nice bike.

 

Getting bikes stolen is a whole different ballgame than cars.

Frankly, you'll do better with having it stolen (or totalled) than you ever would with selling it.

 

Its probably easier to steal an integra than it is to steal a bike