debate NA vs FI
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Re: debate NA vs FI (JCL)
I'm going boost, after my d16y8 sedan (that i really miss) i have to go boost again.
Its just too additive
I've been having withdrawl syndrome since i got my rsx
I need boooooosst!!!!!!!!
Its just too additive
I've been having withdrawl syndrome since i got my rsx
I need boooooosst!!!!!!!!
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Re: (JCL)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JCL »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im thinking going NA with a little bit of buddy club, mugen, t1r all mixed in together</TD></TR></TABLE>
Sure, if you want to spend 3 grand for 15 whp, that's awesome!
Sure, if you want to spend 3 grand for 15 whp, that's awesome!
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Re: (VashTheStampede)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VashTheStampede »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Sure, if you want to spend 3 grand for 15 whp, that's awesome!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Funny very funnny......with 5 grand you could get over 40 whp with a turbo.
Sure, if you want to spend 3 grand for 15 whp, that's awesome!
</TD></TR></TABLE>Funny very funnny......with 5 grand you could get over 40 whp with a turbo.
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Re: (dc5r28)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dc5r28 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Funny very funnny......with 5 grand you could get over 40 whp with a turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I bought a $200 downpipe and picked up 70whp. What's your point?
I bought a $200 downpipe and picked up 70whp. What's your point?
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Re: (TedwardRoberts)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TedwardRoberts »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm poor... boost. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Bingo... for less than 2000 you could get a very nice home-made turbo kit that would seriously rock your socks, and be less obnoxious than tearing into your motor.
Bingo... for less than 2000 you could get a very nice home-made turbo kit that would seriously rock your socks, and be less obnoxious than tearing into your motor.
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Re: (VashTheStampede)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VashTheStampede »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I bought a $200 downpipe and picked up 70whp. What's your point?</TD></TR></TABLE>
wtf? you serious? what kinda engine and downpipe is this? i never seen those kind of gains before, even on turbo'd cars.
I bought a $200 downpipe and picked up 70whp. What's your point?</TD></TR></TABLE>
wtf? you serious? what kinda engine and downpipe is this? i never seen those kind of gains before, even on turbo'd cars.
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Re: debate NA vs FI (JCL)
go turbo with k-pro, get it tuned by a good shop, make decent power. and have plenty of room to upgrade in the future. realibility is in the hands of the tuner.
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Re: debate NA vs FI (K20boiZ)
i'd go for na since i go to the track alot. need all the power within the rpm bandwidth. (also, because my engine is the jdm k20a dc5) and the power is already good enough. anything less than the jdm engine, i'd turbo it, best bang for the buck in terms of $$$ to horsepower ratio.
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Re: (pos_cd5)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pos_cd5 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wtf? you serious? what kinda engine and downpipe is this? i never seen those kind of gains before, even on turbo'd cars.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Subaru EJ257. Dyno'd at 238 to the wheels and after a downpipe and a quick tune, it makes 304hp at the wheels.
That's pretty dramatic, but the K20 should react well to boost... it's got a fairly potent set of tuning parameters.
Subaru EJ257. Dyno'd at 238 to the wheels and after a downpipe and a quick tune, it makes 304hp at the wheels.
That's pretty dramatic, but the K20 should react well to boost... it's got a fairly potent set of tuning parameters.
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Re: (korean)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by korean »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Reliability is not an issue if you do it safely and take care of it! </TD></TR></TABLE>
a NA motor thats relatively stock will and should always outlast a boosted motor regardless of the internals.
</TD></TR></TABLE>a NA motor thats relatively stock will and should always outlast a boosted motor regardless of the internals.
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Re: (eMpAtHy)
true, but an n/a motor that is relatively stock is also gunna be relatively slow. and if you want any decent power at all, then you wont have a relatively stock NA motor.
if you build a motor right, tune it right, and actually take care of it, then there is no reason why it shouldn't last just as long, if not longer, than an n/a motor.
NA motors turn the same compression every revolution. regardless of how hard your getting on it.
and turbo motors CAN be drivin out of boost, which would mean less strain on the engine.
if you build a motor right, tune it right, and actually take care of it, then there is no reason why it shouldn't last just as long, if not longer, than an n/a motor.
NA motors turn the same compression every revolution. regardless of how hard your getting on it.
and turbo motors CAN be drivin out of boost, which would mean less strain on the engine.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by K20boiZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">true, but an n/a motor that is relatively stock is also gunna be relatively slow. and if you want any decent power at all, then you wont have a relatively stock NA motor.
if you build a motor right, tune it right, and actually take care of it, then there is no reason why it shouldn't last just as long, if not longer, than an n/a motor.
NA motors turn the same compression every revolution. regardless of how hard your getting on it.
and turbo motors CAN be drivin out of boost, which would mean less strain on the engine. </TD></TR></TABLE>
your post would be contradicting itself. a low compression motor driven out of boost actually makes less power than a completely stock motor.
without setting guidelines, we cant exactily debate on the subject itself. there has been nothing said about how much power the NA or FI build was making.
most people get simple bolt-ons and maybe a reflash, but generally leave the internals untouched as it starts to get expensive if you want to completely redo the head with a pnp, cams, valves, retainers, a tune, a tuning device like KPRO.
if you choose not to void your warranty, your powertrain is guaranteed for 7 years 75000 miles if its an 06. how many boosted engines have lasted 75k miles? i know of more that have had needed major work compared to those that have lasted 75k miles.
if you build a motor right, tune it right, and actually take care of it, then there is no reason why it shouldn't last just as long, if not longer, than an n/a motor.
NA motors turn the same compression every revolution. regardless of how hard your getting on it.
and turbo motors CAN be drivin out of boost, which would mean less strain on the engine. </TD></TR></TABLE>
your post would be contradicting itself. a low compression motor driven out of boost actually makes less power than a completely stock motor.
without setting guidelines, we cant exactily debate on the subject itself. there has been nothing said about how much power the NA or FI build was making.
most people get simple bolt-ons and maybe a reflash, but generally leave the internals untouched as it starts to get expensive if you want to completely redo the head with a pnp, cams, valves, retainers, a tune, a tuning device like KPRO.
if you choose not to void your warranty, your powertrain is guaranteed for 7 years 75000 miles if its an 06. how many boosted engines have lasted 75k miles? i know of more that have had needed major work compared to those that have lasted 75k miles.
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Re: (eMpAtHy)
i said a boosted motor CAN be run out of boost.
and sure you here about more boosted motors blowing up because most people are cheap and dont treat there cars right. most people think they can just bolt a turbo kit on and go. which is not even the begining of having a properly running turbo car.
if you want power and reliability then its not going to be cheap.
and most people do just get simple bolt ons and possibly a reflash but those people also arn't goin to have much power.
regardless of if you go n/a or f/i, if you have it built right, the motor tuned right and take care of the motor, then it should last as long as any other motor.
and sure you here about more boosted motors blowing up because most people are cheap and dont treat there cars right. most people think they can just bolt a turbo kit on and go. which is not even the begining of having a properly running turbo car.
if you want power and reliability then its not going to be cheap.
and most people do just get simple bolt ons and possibly a reflash but those people also arn't goin to have much power.
regardless of if you go n/a or f/i, if you have it built right, the motor tuned right and take care of the motor, then it should last as long as any other motor.
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