01 GSR sluggish low end power
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01 GSR sluggish low end power
I've got an 01 GSR completely stock. The low end power sucks. What bolt on is the best for low end power. I would like to keep the stock exhaust. Any suggestions? Thanks
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Re: 01 GSR sluggish low end power (LSintegra4)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LSintegra4 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">4-2-1 Header, hi/flow cat, intake, and intake manifold</TD></TR></TABLE>
I really don't think an intake manifold would help with low or midrange power. In fact, they usually cost low and midrange power to help make more up top on a GSR.
If you want low end power in a Honda, you're going to have to supercharge it. Thats the best bolt on mod for low end.
A nice header could help, and combined with intake and exhaust, would help the engine breathe easier. However, I think that will improve throttle responce more than it actually makes low end power.
I really don't think an intake manifold would help with low or midrange power. In fact, they usually cost low and midrange power to help make more up top on a GSR.
If you want low end power in a Honda, you're going to have to supercharge it. Thats the best bolt on mod for low end.
A nice header could help, and combined with intake and exhaust, would help the engine breathe easier. However, I think that will improve throttle responce more than it actually makes low end power.
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Re: 01 GSR sluggish low end power (95 integra)
definitely do not get the aftermarket IM... if ur on a budget and want to feel some quick low end umph.. try out the BC3+ cams with some 4-2-1 header.. if u have the $$ then FI
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DC2SiR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">definitely do not get the aftermarket IM... if ur on a budget and want to feel some quick low end umph.. try out the BC3+ cams with some 4-2-1 header.. if u have the $$ then FI </TD></TR></TABLE>
BC3+ cams arent really going to help on the "low" end of things, only in the mid and upper. Also, you cant lump FI in there because most turbo setups dont make any extra power until 4k or beyond....even a small turbo wont spool until after 3k which isnt really what I would consider low end power.
BC3+ cams arent really going to help on the "low" end of things, only in the mid and upper. Also, you cant lump FI in there because most turbo setups dont make any extra power until 4k or beyond....even a small turbo wont spool until after 3k which isnt really what I would consider low end power.
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Re: 01 GSR sluggish low end power (95 integra)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95 integra »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
BC3+ cams arent really going to help on the "low" end of things, only in the mid and upper. Also, you cant lump FI in there because most turbo setups dont make any extra power until 4k or beyond....even a small turbo wont spool until after 3k which isnt really what I would consider low end power.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah, and the cams, header, exhaust, chip and tune is prolly not too far from the price as a pieced together turbo kit.
BC3+ cams arent really going to help on the "low" end of things, only in the mid and upper. Also, you cant lump FI in there because most turbo setups dont make any extra power until 4k or beyond....even a small turbo wont spool until after 3k which isnt really what I would consider low end power.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah, and the cams, header, exhaust, chip and tune is prolly not too far from the price as a pieced together turbo kit.
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Re: 01 GSR sluggish low end power (95 integra)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95 integra »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BC3+ cams arent really going to help on the "low" end of things, only in the mid and upper. Also, you cant lump FI in there because most turbo setups dont make any extra power until 4k or beyond....even a small turbo wont spool until after 3k which isnt really what I would consider low end power.</TD></TR></TABLE>
3k is low end for a Honda, imho. Mine spends most of its time between 3k and 4k on the street, unless I'm really trying to get that last 1 or 2 mpg improvement shifting at 3,200 (like the owner's manual recommends) would get me (not worth it most of the time).
And a small enough turbo would spool up soon enough. The tiny KKK turbo in my gf's Audi make full boost by 1,800 rpm, and thats a 1.8 liter as well. Dang thing hits peak torque at 1,850 rpm. However, you'll never have big power numbers with such a tiny turbo.
3k is low end for a Honda, imho. Mine spends most of its time between 3k and 4k on the street, unless I'm really trying to get that last 1 or 2 mpg improvement shifting at 3,200 (like the owner's manual recommends) would get me (not worth it most of the time).
And a small enough turbo would spool up soon enough. The tiny KKK turbo in my gf's Audi make full boost by 1,800 rpm, and thats a 1.8 liter as well. Dang thing hits peak torque at 1,850 rpm. However, you'll never have big power numbers with such a tiny turbo.
Re: 01 GSR sluggish low end power (TunerN00b)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TunerN00b »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
3k is low end for a Honda, imho. Mine spends most of its time between 3k and 4k on the street, unless I'm really trying to get that last 1 or 2 mpg improvement shifting at 3,200 (like the owner's manual recommends) would get me (not worth it most of the time).
And a small enough turbo would spool up soon enough. The tiny KKK turbo in my gf's Audi make full boost by 1,800 rpm, and thats a 1.8 liter as well. Dang thing hits peak torque at 1,850 rpm. However, you'll never have big power numbers with such a tiny turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
8000-750 = 7250
7250/3 = 2416
Low end = 750-3166
Mid end = 3166-5582
Top end = 5582-7998
When driving around town I always shifted at around 3200 thus I've always consider that to be the low end range. 4k is half way to redline, so Im not sure how you figure thats low end when its clearly in the middle of the tach....haha. Yes, you could run an itty bitty T2 based turbo, but how many companies actually make turbo kits that run T2 based turbos (for the integra)? How many people make kits based for the T3 turbo? How many make kits for the T4s? Feel free to put a T25 on an integra, thats about the "right" size turbo for the car to begin with, so maybe we can start a new movement that doesnt involve putting on turbos capable of 400whp when they'll never see over 250.
3k is low end for a Honda, imho. Mine spends most of its time between 3k and 4k on the street, unless I'm really trying to get that last 1 or 2 mpg improvement shifting at 3,200 (like the owner's manual recommends) would get me (not worth it most of the time).
And a small enough turbo would spool up soon enough. The tiny KKK turbo in my gf's Audi make full boost by 1,800 rpm, and thats a 1.8 liter as well. Dang thing hits peak torque at 1,850 rpm. However, you'll never have big power numbers with such a tiny turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
8000-750 = 7250
7250/3 = 2416
Low end = 750-3166
Mid end = 3166-5582
Top end = 5582-7998
When driving around town I always shifted at around 3200 thus I've always consider that to be the low end range. 4k is half way to redline, so Im not sure how you figure thats low end when its clearly in the middle of the tach....haha. Yes, you could run an itty bitty T2 based turbo, but how many companies actually make turbo kits that run T2 based turbos (for the integra)? How many people make kits based for the T3 turbo? How many make kits for the T4s? Feel free to put a T25 on an integra, thats about the "right" size turbo for the car to begin with, so maybe we can start a new movement that doesnt involve putting on turbos capable of 400whp when they'll never see over 250.
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Re: 01 GSR sluggish low end power (95 integra)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95 integra »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">8000-750 = 7250
7250/3 = 2416
Low end = 750-3166
Mid end = 3166-5582
Top end = 5582-7998
When driving around town I always shifted at around 3200 thus I've always consider that to be the low end range. 4k is half way to redline, so Im not sure how you figure thats low end when its clearly in the middle of the tach....haha. Yes, you could run an itty bitty T2 based turbo, but how many companies actually make turbo kits that run T2 based turbos (for the integra)? How many people make kits based for the T3 turbo? How many make kits for the T4s? Feel free to put a T25 on an integra, thats about the "right" size turbo for the car to begin with, so maybe we can start a new movement that doesnt involve putting on turbos capable of 400whp when they'll never see over 250.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am going to have to argue a little about 4k being halfway to redline.
There's an idle rpm, and a redline, but that doesn't tell the full story. The entire rpm band isn't useable under all conditions. I don't know about your car, but mine is incapable of accelerating from 900 rpm in any gear after 1st. In fact, it really hard to do anything except maintain speed at anything under 2k in the 3-5 gears. With a useable range from 2k to 8k, I consider 5k to be the middle of the range.
8 - 2 = 6
6 / 2 = 3
3 + 2 = 5
And by that logic, 2 to 4 is the low end, 4 to 6 the mid, and 6 to 8 the upper end. Of course, thats only if we're going to constrain ourselves to not have overlapping ranges, which I would consider to be perfectly reasonable when discussing rpm ranges.
However, I don't want to say anyone is wrong, since the idea of "low end", "mid range", and such, are not hard defined terms, but rather verbal descriptions for ease of communication.
Besides, I would be perfectly happy with 250 whp. That would be one incredible street car. A stock GSR only puts down around 150 anyway, so that alone would be a 67% power increase, with a very very street friendly powerband. And more people should be using tiny turbos for the street. Area under the curve can stay out of the discussion, what really matters is:
1) How is the car driven?
2) What rpm range would the car see for the majority of its use?
Because if I have to wait until 6k to see boost, my car would be NA for 98% of its driving time with an exhaust restriction (turbo) probably worse than the factory chambered muffler.
7250/3 = 2416
Low end = 750-3166
Mid end = 3166-5582
Top end = 5582-7998
When driving around town I always shifted at around 3200 thus I've always consider that to be the low end range. 4k is half way to redline, so Im not sure how you figure thats low end when its clearly in the middle of the tach....haha. Yes, you could run an itty bitty T2 based turbo, but how many companies actually make turbo kits that run T2 based turbos (for the integra)? How many people make kits based for the T3 turbo? How many make kits for the T4s? Feel free to put a T25 on an integra, thats about the "right" size turbo for the car to begin with, so maybe we can start a new movement that doesnt involve putting on turbos capable of 400whp when they'll never see over 250.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am going to have to argue a little about 4k being halfway to redline.
There's an idle rpm, and a redline, but that doesn't tell the full story. The entire rpm band isn't useable under all conditions. I don't know about your car, but mine is incapable of accelerating from 900 rpm in any gear after 1st. In fact, it really hard to do anything except maintain speed at anything under 2k in the 3-5 gears. With a useable range from 2k to 8k, I consider 5k to be the middle of the range.
8 - 2 = 6
6 / 2 = 3
3 + 2 = 5
And by that logic, 2 to 4 is the low end, 4 to 6 the mid, and 6 to 8 the upper end. Of course, thats only if we're going to constrain ourselves to not have overlapping ranges, which I would consider to be perfectly reasonable when discussing rpm ranges.
However, I don't want to say anyone is wrong, since the idea of "low end", "mid range", and such, are not hard defined terms, but rather verbal descriptions for ease of communication.
Besides, I would be perfectly happy with 250 whp. That would be one incredible street car. A stock GSR only puts down around 150 anyway, so that alone would be a 67% power increase, with a very very street friendly powerband. And more people should be using tiny turbos for the street. Area under the curve can stay out of the discussion, what really matters is:
1) How is the car driven?
2) What rpm range would the car see for the majority of its use?
Because if I have to wait until 6k to see boost, my car would be NA for 98% of its driving time with an exhaust restriction (turbo) probably worse than the factory chambered muffler.
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