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Old Oct 18, 2006 | 06:18 PM
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A few months ago I posted about my ride height not being the same for all four wheels. Pothole's are a bitch. After replacing EVERY suspension piece in the back and the entire lower section of the front things still wont come into alignment. I picked up the car today from a honda/acura specialist and they couldn't get it to align.

The guy spent all day on my car and tried every trick he knew to get it to align. He mentioned taking it to a frame shop. I've had this bad feeling about a bent frame since the accident but refused to accept that my frame was bent.

My question is this.. I need to know if there is a way to figure out mounting point locations. Example... if your rear LCA inner mounting location is tweaked to the outside of the car you'll get a lerger negative camber...etc...

I need to be able to figure out all 3 axis but the frame shops can only do 2 axis. If i know the key points im sure I can figure whats out of whack. or at least have an idea of what im in for.

please help.

BTW it's a 93 cx hatch.
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Old Oct 23, 2006 | 10:30 AM
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nothing? the frame shop wants $250 just to look at it.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 08:58 AM
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take it to a body shop with a frame machine that will give you a free estimate. $250 just to look at it is bullshit.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 09:20 AM
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are you asking about ride height or camber not being equal?
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 01:23 PM
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I am confused as to what exactly you are asking. Are you trying to do a wheel alignment (toe/camber/caster), or are you trying to set the ride height?

If you are trying to do an alignment, post your current alignment specs from the machine printout. If you are trying to set ride height, post a picture of the car.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 03:44 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am confused as to what exactly you are asking. Are you trying to do a wheel alignment (toe/camber/caster), or are you trying to set the ride height?

If you are trying to do an alignment, post your current alignment specs from the machine printout. If you are trying to set ride height, post a picture of the car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

neither actually. i have no means of adjsutment on the rear other than stock. It's lowered. camber is off because of that i know. toe wont set for some reason. not bent components, they are new. imagine taking off everything component piece, climbing under the car and taking measurements. hopefully the pic will help.

using a certain refrence point, the mounting locations of the components should be a certain distance from something else. Example....B1 is jack point to LCA, A1 is LCA to LCA, B2 is LCA to Jack point. (fixed on an grid axis of course)

<U>These are the measurements i need, plus the other axis' for all the mounting locations of components</U> They should be a specific distance, if they're not thats how i tell what is out of whack.

http://www.imagebeaver.com/vie...78826
&lt;--geometry formula being used


or should i just give up and burn the car to the ground.

If i can get my autocad to install i'll draw a diagram of it.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 04:09 PM
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What sort of "accident" was this car involved in?

At this point, I'm thinking the subframe(s?) have been bent where the lower control arms attach, which is common in collisions that damage suspension. Sorry I can't help you with any measurements, because I don't have a '92-95 hatch handy to measure.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 04:14 PM
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all body measurements are in the factory helms manual.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 04:54 PM
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it was in an pothole accident. i wasnt in the car went i happened so i can only speculate, but my g/f driving it told me pothole.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">all body measurements are in the factory helms manual.</TD></TR></TABLE>

including the suspension measurment?
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