Ok. Im on a budget guys so lets keep that in mind. I really want a k20 and ive been saving to get the swap done. I dont wanna do the B series swap. It looks like I wont be able to do the K swap until february or march. It was suggested to me to go a sorta cheaper route and get a k20a3, and later down the road swap the head out for a k20a. i dont wanna do the frankenstein either... But could you leave me feedback if this would be a good idea? I would appreciate it.

 

Hey, first of all. You CANNOT swap a bseries into Em2 chassis.

But yes, you can save a LOT of $$ gonig k20a3. They are very plentiful and cheap, a lot of people are finding them for under $1300 for the full swap. while k20a2's are still harder to find for a good price ( although it has been done)

It really come down to what you want to do.

If u want to leave the engine stock, other than minor mods, i suggest saving for a k20a2.

If u want to boost it sooner or later, i think the k20a3 will be plenty.

Another option is a k24a1/3/4, Its SUPER torquey, makes some decent HP with minor boltons ( a lot more than the k20a3). It is for sale for the longblock on http://www.hmotorsonline.com for $1000, then u need to get the tranny and ecu/axels.

The last option is k24a2, which can be found for cheaper than the k20a2, but requires a k20 tranny to make it work.

Do a search, there is a lot of k20 info on here.

 

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Technically, you can... But it's not worth it, and we won't get into that...

Point in case:

 

do u know any good places to get the a3 swap? Red EM2 i thot u cud too...but o well. i dont want to anyway.

 

Red, Everyone knows the 1.5L b16Turbo AEM landspeeder, but i dont consider that normal. THe average joe cant do the swap themselves.


and no nccivic, as far as your concerned you cant.

As far as places to swap an a3, IMO do the swap urself, that way u know what goes wrong/where it is, if u ever need to fix something. PLUS u get to save a crapload of $$.

IF u must get a swap done, i really cant help u as i live in canada!

 

you can get 199whp w/k20a2 cams though.

imo, i'd go with a k24a1 ($1300 anywhere) instead of a k20a3.

heres a k24a4

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/s...30029

 

It makes more sense just to save for the motor that you want instead of buying two right? Then get the K20A that you want and wait. There's nothing wrong with waiting for what you want...

 

a 1.5L b16??? i dont think thats right. its a 1.6L

 

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Wrong. It was destroked to a 1.5L, on a B16 block, thus making it a B15.

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Hence why I said,

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what are your plans for the k-series going in your car? are you gunna boost it? N/A? or keep it stockish?
budget doesn't matter, get what you want. there's a difference between saving money and wasting money.

 

i want to go n/a with it im tired of all the turbo hype. but i get what u guys are saying and i think ill just wait a lil while longer and get a usdm type s swap

 

or do a k24a1, have it running good until you save more $$, then swap a k20a2 head on there, and go from there

start with something with good potential and work yourself up.

 

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I reckon that's a fine idea.

 

Actually leagal there is only 1 B series motor that can go into a 7th gen civic and that is a 2001 B18c5 out of a 2001 integra type R and that can only go into a 2001 honda civic. Engines must be of the same year of your car or newer, hince why there were never motor mounts made for the B-series to swap into the EM2.

On anouther note, any swap you do will be kind of pricey. your lookng at abut 6000 if you do it yourself. maybe cheeper if you can find some salavaged parts somewhere. But honestly if you REALY want to do a swap, its better to do it right the first time and dont look back, once you go the swap route you can never look back. The price tag become a heavty sum. But my suggestion is a k24a1 with a k20a head, that gives you the ability to go either way and have a lot of usable torque. NA you can squeez 200+hp out of it STOCK! and then forced inductino ive seen upwards of 600whp on the stock internals. And then get you a itr tranny, with a tsx 6th gear and EP3 1st and 2nd and you should be good to go! But thats just my .02 cents.

 

na is not a bad route to go. especially because of the potential that any/all k-series motors have. you could always get a k20a3 and put a toda 2.2 stroker setup in it and get an a2 head. that would be a beautiful setup in an em2. and you could eventually p&p the head and get a custom cam. and then do itb's and be the em2 n/a mack daddy.

 

don't do things half-***, save up for the k20a

 

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I agree, partially. The K20a is a high compression motor, (11.5:1) and if you are like me, and love boost, you really can't run that much to do. So it is a bad motor for that without having to redo the internals.

But if you want an all motor setup, like the OP, it would kick *** with maybe a little nitrous, or full all motor with high compression.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TransformedBG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually leagal there is only 1 B series motor that can go into a 7th gen civic and that is a 2001 B18c5 out of a 2001 integra type R and that can only go into a 2001 honda civic. Engines must be of the same year of your car or newer, hince why there were never motor mounts made for the B-series to swap into the EM2.

On anouther note, any swap you do will be kind of pricey. your lookng at abut 6000 if you do it yourself. maybe cheeper if you can find some salavaged parts somewhere. But honestly if you REALY want to do a swap, its better to do it right the first time and dont look back, once you go the swap route you can never look back. The price tag become a heavty sum. But my suggestion is a k24a1 with a k20a head, that gives you the ability to go either way and have a lot of usable torque. NA you can squeez 200+hp out of it STOCK! and then forced inductino ive seen upwards of 600whp on the stock internals. And then get you a itr tranny, with a tsx 6th gear and EP3 1st and 2nd and you should be good to go! But thats just my .02 cents.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Legally you can also swap an 01 H22a and an 01 B18b, and an 01 B18c1, but they will all require TONS of wiring+custom parts that make it cost way more than its worth.

 

it's good to know what other motors you could swap into our cars. but the only logical and most cost effective motor to use would be some sort of k-series.

 

legally unless you live in Ca you can swap any motor into your car. As far as I know California is the only state that it has to be the same year, but I bet I am wrong and there is atleast another state.

As far as a B or H swap it would be neat. The only thing that would be hard is the mounts and the wiring the rest would be cake . No really,..... it would not be that bad to do.

K swap is nice and it runs good, but make sure that you have the $ to do it right. I researched, I set a buget for a nice setup, and I exceeded my budget. Botom line set a budget knownig that you will exceed it.

There have been a ton of nice engines/half engeines going around K20a.org, I would check that site out.

 

all this and we still dont know how much you wanna spend. its all about the cash munayyy

 

i'm in the process of a k24/k20 turbo build, the factors, that i know i will just be repeating this, are money and what power you want. to turbo the d17 or swap a k20 your lookin around the same hp, but the k20 has no lag, you get a better platform to start from and a 6speed tranny, and the 3stage ivtec. i'de save the 3500 up and buy the types swap, but go to hasports website, you need other stuff too. mounts will cost you 550ish, you need si axles, si radiator, types engine subframe and some other stuff.