Automatic Vs. Manual
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Automatic Vs. Manual
heres yet one of my ignorant questions, cuz i have no idea whats going on...
you have 2 of the same cars, 1 being AT and the other MT. why is the MT "faster" and can anything be done to an AT to make it equal to(in speed) the MT.
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you have 2 of the same cars, 1 being AT and the other MT. why is the MT "faster" and can anything be done to an AT to make it equal to(in speed) the MT.
thanx
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Re: Automatic Vs. Manual (LxXsilenceXxP)
well keep in mind the civic's auto tranny isn't designed with racing in mind.
They are designed for "john j consumer" daily driving. However EVERY time you drive it will be the same (effective inclines, declines roads could vary results)
in bracket racing an auto would be great!
With manual your more "in control" of the vehicle YET on the other side of the coin your leaving room for ALOT of error and other variables
Clutch wear, mis shift bad launch etc etc
I've owned both auto and manual.. they both have plus and minuses its more of a situation your in type of choice. I'm sure if they sold an Automatic Si, ( eek )
there would be alot more fanboi's driving them
They are designed for "john j consumer" daily driving. However EVERY time you drive it will be the same (effective inclines, declines roads could vary results)
in bracket racing an auto would be great!
With manual your more "in control" of the vehicle YET on the other side of the coin your leaving room for ALOT of error and other variables
Clutch wear, mis shift bad launch etc etc
I've owned both auto and manual.. they both have plus and minuses its more of a situation your in type of choice. I'm sure if they sold an Automatic Si, ( eek )
there would be alot more fanboi's driving them
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Re: Automatic Vs. Manual (LxXsilenceXxP)
I have had both. Basically, if you are in heavy traffic all the time, it may be better to go with auto. Or you just cannot drive a manual.
Manual is better because it is more responsive to you. Meaning literally everything you do controls the vehicle. It is not just pressing the gas and break. Plus, there is no lag when pressing the gas. Usually cheaper to fix if something ever happens mechanically.
Auto is not made to do the same things as a manual. You may be able to get the car to "be as fast", but it will never be at the same points as a manual because the auto shifts for you. It is very difficult to redline the auto consistently. Don't even want to go into down shifting.
Manual is better because it is more responsive to you. Meaning literally everything you do controls the vehicle. It is not just pressing the gas and break. Plus, there is no lag when pressing the gas. Usually cheaper to fix if something ever happens mechanically.
Auto is not made to do the same things as a manual. You may be able to get the car to "be as fast", but it will never be at the same points as a manual because the auto shifts for you. It is very difficult to redline the auto consistently. Don't even want to go into down shifting.
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Re: Automatic Vs. Manual (LxXsilenceXxP)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LxXsilenceXxP »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">heres yet one of my ignorant questions, cuz i have no idea whats going on...
you have 2 of the same cars, 1 being AT and the other MT. why is the MT "faster" and can anything be done to an AT to make it equal to(in speed) the MT.
thanx</TD></TR></TABLE>
its not that the mt is a more powerful car, its just that it is more responsive because you're more in control of what the car does, so you'll be able to make it move faster. these newer cars now a day even with tip-tronics or "paddle shifters" still dont offer the same control as with mt. for example, you dont have control over the clutch, you're merely just telling your car when to shift. youre never in neutral and there are times on the track where you have to go flat. second, most of the time the car with tiptronics will fight you on the shifting like the gti or even an aston martin db9.
im not trying to be rude and i hope you dont take offense. but kinda an odd/noob question coming from a guy about to put a turbo kit into his brand new car ehh?
you have 2 of the same cars, 1 being AT and the other MT. why is the MT "faster" and can anything be done to an AT to make it equal to(in speed) the MT.
thanx</TD></TR></TABLE>
its not that the mt is a more powerful car, its just that it is more responsive because you're more in control of what the car does, so you'll be able to make it move faster. these newer cars now a day even with tip-tronics or "paddle shifters" still dont offer the same control as with mt. for example, you dont have control over the clutch, you're merely just telling your car when to shift. youre never in neutral and there are times on the track where you have to go flat. second, most of the time the car with tiptronics will fight you on the shifting like the gti or even an aston martin db9.
im not trying to be rude and i hope you dont take offense. but kinda an odd/noob question coming from a guy about to put a turbo kit into his brand new car ehh?
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Re: Automatic Vs. Manual (LxXsilenceXxP)
Who wants an auto in a Honda? Of course there are reasons..(some can't drive stick, some may have problems preventing them from driving stick, etc,etc.....)
But if you have a choice stay with the 5-speed/6-speed, its soooo fun
But if you have a choice stay with the 5-speed/6-speed, its soooo fun
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Re: Automatic Vs. Manual (liketofry)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by liketofry »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But if you have a choice stay with the 5-speed/6-speed, its soooo fun </TD></TR></TABLE>
Very few joys in life compare to the feeling of driving a great civic.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Very few joys in life compare to the feeling of driving a great civic.
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Hahahahahahahahaha. LMAO I had to put this quote in my sig.
I'm disappointed in how ignorant the responses to the original question have been.
Two primary reasons Manuals are usually quicker than Automatics is...
1. Automatics are less mechanically efficient than their manual counterparts. Thus it uses more of the engines power to operate it (assuming the 2 engines make equal power), hence... You are putting less hp to the wheels. And if all else is equal, the auto will be slower as a result.
2. The gear ratios in automatics are usually much less aggressive than their manual counterparts. Again, assuming the 2 engines make equal power, the car with the gear ratios better suited for acceleration will get to 60 (or whatever) faster than the car with the more conservative ratios.
Hahahahahahahahaha. LMAO I had to put this quote in my sig.
I'm disappointed in how ignorant the responses to the original question have been.
Two primary reasons Manuals are usually quicker than Automatics is...
1. Automatics are less mechanically efficient than their manual counterparts. Thus it uses more of the engines power to operate it (assuming the 2 engines make equal power), hence... You are putting less hp to the wheels. And if all else is equal, the auto will be slower as a result.
2. The gear ratios in automatics are usually much less aggressive than their manual counterparts. Again, assuming the 2 engines make equal power, the car with the gear ratios better suited for acceleration will get to 60 (or whatever) faster than the car with the more conservative ratios.
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Re: (honda93)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sxthirteen »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
im not trying to be rude and i hope you dont take offense. but kinda an odd/noob question coming from a guy about to put a turbo kit into his brand new car ehh?</TD></TR></TABLE>
no offense taken. i had an idea of why, but i just wanted to get my **** str8 thats all, and "i" am not putting the turbo, a company is.
thanx for everyones response
im not trying to be rude and i hope you dont take offense. but kinda an odd/noob question coming from a guy about to put a turbo kit into his brand new car ehh?</TD></TR></TABLE>
no offense taken. i had an idea of why, but i just wanted to get my **** str8 thats all, and "i" am not putting the turbo, a company is.
thanx for everyones response
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Re: (LxXsilenceXxP)
As I know, AT would responsif (espc 06 civic) if the engine running between 5000-6000rpm.Vtec would fully "used" if you running in that rpm.Below 5000rpm, just takes 50-60% of all Vtec power.
If you want just bring back to dealer, ask them if they can (like we do in Australia), adjust the ECU for AT transition.May be it would help.
If you want just bring back to dealer, ask them if they can (like we do in Australia), adjust the ECU for AT transition.May be it would help.
even the 0 to 60 time~!!!
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Re: Automatic Vs. Manual (LxXsilenceXxP)
My fiancee, and her dad both have automatic fg2s. I do not like the AT in the civics.
It feels way too loose. Like you floor it in a low gear and the engine winds up but you dont really get moving right away and it feels like a slipping clutch or something. blerghble.
I wouldnt mind an AT GTO or a charger or sumn, esp since most of those cars run the same 1/4mi and itd have the added benefit of the woman being head over heels for the car and probably more conductive to not flipping out when im spending all our money on mods =P
It feels way too loose. Like you floor it in a low gear and the engine winds up but you dont really get moving right away and it feels like a slipping clutch or something. blerghble.
I wouldnt mind an AT GTO or a charger or sumn, esp since most of those cars run the same 1/4mi and itd have the added benefit of the woman being head over heels for the car and probably more conductive to not flipping out when im spending all our money on mods =P
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Re: Automatic Vs. Manual (Yablargo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Yablargo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My fiancee, and her dad both have automatic fg2s. I do not like the AT in the civics.
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ehhh, i let you figure whats wrong with this.
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ehhh, i let you figure whats wrong with this.
(about GTI TRANNY)
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Re: (drink'ndrive)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drink’ndrive »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As I know, AT would responsif (espc 06 civic) if the engine running between 5000-6000rpm.Vtec would fully "used" if you running in that rpm.Below 5000rpm, just takes 50-60% of all Vtec power.
If you want just bring back to dealer, ask them if they can (like we do in Australia), adjust the ECU for AT transition.May be it would help.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by okawa »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">always like this in history.cannot changed</TD></TR></TABLE>
OK yes....I am totally bumblefucked trying to understand these two responses.
Anyways, yes as pointed out before, you get more drivetrain loss because an automatic isn't as efficient. That's why you get more power to the ground faster using a lighter flywheel, because there's less rotating mass.
In general, with a manual you'll see 12-15% power loss, but with an auto, you'd see 15-20.
Believe me, I have an auto and it's great for daily driving because I don't have to worry about traffic but I learned after the intake, exhaust, and then the turbo kit when I was 17-18, that Honda automatics blow and trying to improve them costs money and time.
If you want just bring back to dealer, ask them if they can (like we do in Australia), adjust the ECU for AT transition.May be it would help.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by okawa »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">always like this in history.cannot changed</TD></TR></TABLE>
OK yes....I am totally bumblefucked trying to understand these two responses.
Anyways, yes as pointed out before, you get more drivetrain loss because an automatic isn't as efficient. That's why you get more power to the ground faster using a lighter flywheel, because there's less rotating mass.
In general, with a manual you'll see 12-15% power loss, but with an auto, you'd see 15-20.
Believe me, I have an auto and it's great for daily driving because I don't have to worry about traffic but I learned after the intake, exhaust, and then the turbo kit when I was 17-18, that Honda automatics blow and trying to improve them costs money and time.
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