Suspension Dilema...
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Suspension Dilema...I NEED ADVICE!!
So i need some opinions...
The car:
eg civic 4dr, full weight, KYB AGX struts all around, skunk2 coilovers. rear wheels and tires are rota sub-zeros, front tires are M&H 23x8.5x15 slicks.
The dilema:
im looking to get 1.6x 60' foot times and looking to improve my 330 and 1/8 mile times....basically looking to get this heavy **** out of the hole as quick as possible, while using the suspension setup i have to the fullest. i dont have the money (and the season is coming to a close) to revamp the suspension so i have to use what i have....
the solution:
im looking for ideas here folks....should i set the rears full hard, and jack the back up as high as i can (to prevent squating) should i leave it lowered and set it to full hard, should i set it full hard and slam the rear to the ground so im riding on the bump stops to keep it from squating.....and what should i do with teh front? full hard? full soft?
what has worked and what hasnt?
let me know peeps!
cliff notes:
working with what i have...how can i get out of the hole faster?
Modified by fast2camciv at 5:36 AM 8/30/2006
Modified by fast2camciv at 5:38 AM 8/30/2006
The car:
eg civic 4dr, full weight, KYB AGX struts all around, skunk2 coilovers. rear wheels and tires are rota sub-zeros, front tires are M&H 23x8.5x15 slicks.
The dilema:
im looking to get 1.6x 60' foot times and looking to improve my 330 and 1/8 mile times....basically looking to get this heavy **** out of the hole as quick as possible, while using the suspension setup i have to the fullest. i dont have the money (and the season is coming to a close) to revamp the suspension so i have to use what i have....
the solution:
im looking for ideas here folks....should i set the rears full hard, and jack the back up as high as i can (to prevent squating) should i leave it lowered and set it to full hard, should i set it full hard and slam the rear to the ground so im riding on the bump stops to keep it from squating.....and what should i do with teh front? full hard? full soft?
what has worked and what hasnt?
let me know peeps!
cliff notes:
working with what i have...how can i get out of the hole faster?
Modified by fast2camciv at 5:36 AM 8/30/2006
Modified by fast2camciv at 5:38 AM 8/30/2006
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Re: Suspension Dilema... (fast2camciv)
come on people!!
someone has to have some suggestions here! hell some typical honda-tech sarcasm would be welcomed
just someone post up what you think has worked for you so i can get an idea here!!
someone has to have some suggestions here! hell some typical honda-tech sarcasm would be welcomed
just someone post up what you think has worked for you so i can get an idea here!!
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Re: Suspension Dilema...I NEED ADVICE!! (fast2camciv)
You really didn't say anything about your engine and tranny set-up. If you are not spinning the tires right now, there would be no way to improve anything.
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engine and trany is this:
405hp turbo sohc, clutchmasters stage 4 clutch, z6 tranny with obx lsd.
i was using MT 22x8x15's and cutting mid 1.7x's all the time, i was spining those so i went up to M&H 23x8.5x15's ive only made 2 runs on these so far and both runs were crap...one run was a 2.0 and the other was 1.9 60 foot. And yes i was spining them. only just for a second when im coming out of the hole....and the *** end squats HARD...and then everytime i shift it squats hard again..espescially on the 1-2 shift....
and fyi my launch technique is this...preload, 2 step set at 7k, redline at 7500. i make about 5psi of boost off the line and get about 18 in 1st gear. i do not full throttle shift 1-2 but i do the rest.
my goal of this thread was to see if there is any gain by tweaking the suspension i allready have to gain a couple tenths. i just feel like there is alot of wasted motion/energy that could be put to use lol......maybe im all wet here?
405hp turbo sohc, clutchmasters stage 4 clutch, z6 tranny with obx lsd.
i was using MT 22x8x15's and cutting mid 1.7x's all the time, i was spining those so i went up to M&H 23x8.5x15's ive only made 2 runs on these so far and both runs were crap...one run was a 2.0 and the other was 1.9 60 foot. And yes i was spining them. only just for a second when im coming out of the hole....and the *** end squats HARD...and then everytime i shift it squats hard again..espescially on the 1-2 shift....
and fyi my launch technique is this...preload, 2 step set at 7k, redline at 7500. i make about 5psi of boost off the line and get about 18 in 1st gear. i do not full throttle shift 1-2 but i do the rest.
my goal of this thread was to see if there is any gain by tweaking the suspension i allready have to gain a couple tenths. i just feel like there is alot of wasted motion/energy that could be put to use lol......maybe im all wet here?
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Re: (fast2camciv)
you didnt mention traction bars ? i would advise you to invest in a set if you dont have them already. also. try lowering your launch rpm/retard the timing so it will build more boost @ the line on the 2-step. also, i didnt happen to see how much air pressure you are running in the tires...
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Re: (dturbocivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dturbocivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you didnt mention traction bars ? i would advise you to invest in a set if you dont have them already. also. try lowering your launch rpm/retard the timing so it will build more boost @ the line on the 2-step. also, i didnt happen to see how much air pressure you are running in the tires... </TD></TR></TABLE>
i do not have traction bars...something i have looked into but didnt really think i needed them...if that is the case i will work on it for next season...
the slicks i had at 12psi on the 1.9 and then 9psi on the 2.0.
im not sure i want to lower my launch rpm just because im using a somewhat laggy turbo and im afraid of boggin it off the line...i would much rather spin that bog as it takes a while to build boost up again.
and i have been thinking about the timing thing to build more boost...im using CromePro to tune with and i cant for the life of me figure out how to go about this....
if i have the 2step set at 7k, where do i retard teh timing? in the boost portion of the map? cause it consitantly builds 4.7psi so would i retard it in the 0 to say...10psi portion at 7k???? cause once i launch i rarely go under 18psi....and if thats the case...how much would i retard it???
thanks for the responses finaly guys!!
i do not have traction bars...something i have looked into but didnt really think i needed them...if that is the case i will work on it for next season...
the slicks i had at 12psi on the 1.9 and then 9psi on the 2.0.
im not sure i want to lower my launch rpm just because im using a somewhat laggy turbo and im afraid of boggin it off the line...i would much rather spin that bog as it takes a while to build boost up again.
and i have been thinking about the timing thing to build more boost...im using CromePro to tune with and i cant for the life of me figure out how to go about this....
if i have the 2step set at 7k, where do i retard teh timing? in the boost portion of the map? cause it consitantly builds 4.7psi so would i retard it in the 0 to say...10psi portion at 7k???? cause once i launch i rarely go under 18psi....and if thats the case...how much would i retard it???
thanks for the responses finaly guys!!
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