Looking to see what people are using for pillow ball mounts up front as well as caster/camber plates. Just curious. Pictures are great. Also how do you like the setup as opposed to normal bushings up top. What kind of driving to you do most often with the setup?

 

we dont have macpherson strut suspension

there is no such thing as a camber plate for a civic (until 2001+ models).

 

Ok, maybe I was thinking like Skunk2's upper A arm. So, what about pillowball mount.

 

I have apexi N1 coilovers and have the pillowball mounts. I am not a drag racer, but prefer some nice mountain passes. I honestly cannot tell you the difference between pillowball/non-pillowball, but I can say that they are not noisy in any way, and they aren't even that rigid. It could just be the tuning of the coilovers themselves, but I didn't notice anything strange going on with them.

 

a "pillow ball" aka in ENGLISH a "spherical bearing" is just going to make the response from the shock and spring more direct since it replaces the rubber bushing that flexes. its a good thing actually. but yeah, im not entirely sure id want to get rid of that compliance completely.

ITR's have special top hat bushings that are considerably stiffer than normal because half of the material is metal. they fit in out stock mounts. i have a set, but honestly, i havent bothered to install them... ive got a lot of parts i havent bothered to install...

 

you can get pillowball tops with the tein suspension

 

im running an SPC adjustable upper ball joint.........works well, im also running tein upper pillowball mounts (non adjustable........adjustables r not made for this model) and tein coil overs.......all work great and feel great,

 

as a race car driver/kart racer ive learned to feel very minute differences, especially in steering. the upper pillowball mounts give a much more direct feelin the steering, especially in hard cornering. theres no more side to side movement int he wheel becuase of hard cornering. the purpose of these is to prevent change in alignment due to hard cornering. even under low speed i can feel the difference.


if you are looking to run the car in a "touge" setting, auto cross, or road racing, i HIGHLY reccomend the teins. im not saying others are not good, but ive only use the teins before.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tnereffidxmitch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> theres no more side to side movement int he wheel becuase of hard cornering. the purpose of these is to prevent change in alignment due to hard cornering. even under low speed i can feel the difference.
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again, thats only with macpherson strut suspension. the top hat on the honda double wishbone suspension has nothing to do with wheel alignment and side to side movement.

if you think thats true on your double wishbone honda, then youre just regurgitating what you heard in initial d or something.

 

Yup on my CRX I didn't notice anything after installing them. On a Porsche 944 years back we installed some pillowball mounts, and it definately made a huge difference, but it is a macpherson suspension as opposed to the CRX double wishbone. You gotta admit that they do look good in the engine bay though huh .

 

i dont watch inital d....lol

i didnt mean only changes in side to side alignment (steering) but also camchanges in camber/castor thru cornering. i may not have worded it the way you would undterstand it, but as a driver i feel a difference and more directness than before. the steering feels more firm, direct, and responsive.

 

its still not the camber or caster changing. the shock has nothing to do with that in a double wishbone suspension.

perhaps you need to concentrate on more driving and less engineering/mechanics.

 

like i said, i may not be able 2 explain it right, but i know what i feel. i know how 2 tune chassis's n **** but honestly im still learning and want to learn. i come from a kart racing background and ive been gradually moving to cars.

 

i got problem with my chamber...now, using koni adjustable short-stroke..even already change the low spring to the stock, and make my ride becoming higher, but my wheels still not straight..and due to that, my both front tyres worn out in the inner side...which one is much more better, getting Skunk2 adjustable front upper arms or adjustable pillowball upper mounts?..did Koni have that pillowball upper mounts?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gamakichi77 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i got problem with my chamber...now, using koni adjustable short-stroke..even already change the low spring to the stock, and make my ride becoming higher, but my wheels still not straight..and due to that, my both front tyres worn out in the inner side...which one is much more better, getting Skunk2 adjustable front upper arms or adjustable pillowball upper mounts?..did Koni have that pillowball upper mounts?</TD></TR></TABLE>

your only problem is youre not getting the car aligned. toe changes with ride height and needs to be corrected and is the cause of uneven tire wear.

 

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spherical bearing in place of every other bushing (lower control arm, upper control arm, crossemember) EXCEPT the top hat shock mount will indeed control the camber/caster of the car. but the topic of this thread is a "pillow ball" for the top shock mount which has nothing to do with anything other than the shock.

 

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your only problem is youre not getting the car aligned. toe changes with ride height and needs to be corrected and is the cause of uneven tire wear.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i did my car align...the wheels still not straight..shall i go for adjustable pillowball upper mounts or adjustable front upper arms?

 

there is no such thing as an adjustable pillowball mount for a crx.

guess that leaves an adjustable front upper arm huh...

if your wheels are not "straight", then you have bent suspension issues.

 

I think these guys have them....
http://www.ground-control.com/gcwhnew.htm
scroll 1/2 way down, 84-87 crx $265?
good luck.....

 

once my **** is up and running ill let you know how it handles. BTW its just a d.d.
but for my set-up i have PIC select coilovers and skunk 2 front camber kit and ingalls rear and full energy suspension bushing kit.
so it should handle damn well.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there is no such thing as an adjustable pillowball mount for a crx.

guess that leaves an adjustable front upper arm huh...

if your wheels are not "straight", then you have bent suspension issues. </TD></TR></TABLE>

wow. after relentless ignorance and people not reading what you write, you still bother to take the time to help these characters? Tyson, you're either a really nice guy or a masochist haha.

 

OH MY GOD! How many times can someone say the SAME thing, amidst so much missinformative n00bs, and still, people come in and say the same stuff.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">we dont have macpherson strut suspension

there is no such thing as a camber plate for a civic (until 2001+ models).

</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a "pillow ball" aka in ENGLISH a "spherical bearing" is just going to make the response from the shock and spring more direct since it replaces the rubber bushing that flexes. its a good thing actually. but yeah, im not entirely sure id want to get rid of that compliance completely.

ITR's have special top hat bushings that are considerably stiffer than normal because half of the material is metal. they fit in out stock mounts. i have a set, but honestly, i havent bothered to install them... ive got a lot of parts i havent bothered to install...</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

again, thats only with macpherson strut suspension. the top hat on the honda double wishbone suspension has nothing to do with wheel alignment and side to side movement.

if you think thats true on your double wishbone honda, then youre just regurgitating what you heard in initial d or something.</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its still not the camber or caster changing. the shock has nothing to do with that in a double wishbone suspension.

perhaps you need to concentrate on more driving and less engineering/mechanics.</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

your only problem is youre not getting the car aligned. toe changes with ride height and needs to be corrected and is the cause of uneven tire wear.</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

spherical bearing in place of every other bushing (lower control arm, upper control arm, crossemember) EXCEPT the top hat shock mount will indeed control the camber/caster of the car. but the topic of this thread is a "pillow ball" for the top shock mount which has nothing to do with anything other than the shock.</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there is no such thing as an adjustable pillowball mount for a crx.

guess that leaves an adjustable front upper arm huh...

if your wheels are not "straight", then you have bent suspension issues. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Why can't you people listen?

Oh my effin n00bishness.

No wonder everyone worth a **** is leaving.