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Few Mustang guys have used this system just fine, but I cant find a really solid review on this. but basically its a water/methonal/washer fluid injection kit, but rather than a high pressure pump it uses the turbo or supercharger to pull in and atomize the liquid. the more you boost the more liquid it draws. I'm almost positive Spearco had a similar kit years ago. what are your thoughts on a system like this? please no "get XXX brand kit" I just want to hear your opinion on the feasability of this setup and the long term effects of using a compressor to atomize fluid.

 

aquamist FTMFW!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sketch_hs &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">aquamist FTMFW!</TD></TR></TABLE>Thanks that really helped!

 

A local guy i talked to has their old system with the white bottle on his Procharged Mustang and loved it. I personally dont have any experience with them but will be using one once my Camry's finished.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gLok &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A local guy i talked to has their old system with the white bottle on his Procharged Mustang and loved it. I personally dont have any experience with them but will be using one once my Camry's finished.</TD></TR></TABLE>

U said local, Im also in South FL, who is he?

 

The problem with the boost sensors is you really only have control of one parameter and that is just boost. If you run a solenoid and control the injection through you EMS you can control fuel/ignition compensation, engine speed/load, throttle position, vehicle speed, air temp. etc. Makes it alot more engine friendly.

 

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The guy drives a black fox body and frequents the Tower shop meets on fridays.

Whats wrong with my Camry?

 

Yeah, what's wrong with a Camry?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boostage &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Few Mustang guys have used this system just fine, but I cant find a really solid review on this. but basically its a water/methonal/washer fluid injection kit, but rather than a high pressure pump it uses the turbo or supercharger to pull in and atomize the liquid. the more you boost the more liquid it draws. I'm almost positive Spearco had a similar kit years ago. what are your thoughts on a system like this? please no "get XXX brand kit" I just want to hear your opinion on the feasability of this setup and the long term effects of using a compressor to atomize fluid.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's only going to work well in an unintercooled setup... A lot of the Mustang guys run this to sort of replace having an air-to-air or water-to-air unit, but the lack of an intercooler core makes this system functional. Once you have an intercooler, the water/meth mixture is going to wet out and collect inside the IC core once it flows across the intercooler; atomization turns to crap and renders the system useless unfortunately.

 

When you place the nossle before the Intercooler, are you essetially just trying to keep you IAT's down in road course racing and situations like that?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tony the Tiger &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, what's wrong with a Camry?

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now that is a sleeper! nice camry!

 

Anderson Ford is about 30 mins from me so a lot of supercharged mustang guys are running them. There is one turboed mustang that ran the kit and he had it on for about 2 months and took it off because the way this system works, it doesn't emit a fine enough mist and all his cold side fins were pitted.

Just a little personal experience...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tony the Tiger &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's only going to work well in an unintercooled setup... A lot of the Mustang guys run this to sort of replace having an air-to-air or water-to-air unit, but the lack of an intercooler core makes this system functional. Once you have an intercooler, the water/meth mixture is going to wet out and collect inside the IC core once it flows across the intercooler; atomization turns to crap and renders the system useless unfortunately.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Are you sure? all the before dynos were like 550-650 then the after dyno is maybe 100 more hp. they didnt list specs but I dont think these mustangs made that much without an IC

 

The guy i was refering to has a front mount on his but i have no idea how it is setup. I only saw the white bottle and asked him about it because i had looked at the same system for my car. That was before i realized it does not work with a roots type blower. My new setup will not use a roots type blower however.

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Ah damn, Tony had to go and post the Camry ****.

 

If it possible to tap the charge pipe AFTER the intercooler? or does this have to be pre turbo to work?

 

It has to be placed on the pressurized side of the turbo so i dont see why it couldnt be placed after the intercooler.

 

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It uses boost pressure stored in the canister to spray the fluid, so it can't be placed post-turbo. The nozzle has to be pre-turbo which is why I mentioned that the fluid must past the intercooler if the car is equipped with one Even on the 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords magazine article on the website, the SC Mustang was unintercooled.

 

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Are you sure? all the before dynos were like 550-650 then the after dyno is maybe 100 more hp. they didnt list specs but I dont think these mustangs made that much without an IC</TD></TR></TABLE>


Yeah, the Mustang didn't have an intercooler... It was a non-intercooled setup pushing those numbers.

This is the magazine article taken from the website; you can see the engine bay on the Mustang:

Pg 1:
http://www.andersonfordmotorsp...1.htm


Pg2:
http://www.andersonfordmotorsp...2.htm

Page 2 has the HP and TQ numbers... as you can see, the system is really meant for a non-intercooled setup.

You can still make it work with an intercooler setup, but the system would be inferior and eventually lead to really poor atomization and consistency between cylinders. A WI system like this is sometimes worse that no WI system at all IMO.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tony the Tiger &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It uses boost pressure stored in the canister to spray the fluid, so it can't be placed post-turbo. The nozzle has to be pre-turbo which is why I mentioned that the fluid must past the intercooler if the car is equipped with one Even on the 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords magazine article on the website, the SC Mustang was unintercooled.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I see what you are saying, if it was post turbo the boost wouldnt allow the fluid to exit the nozzle. I thought the check valves would prevent the boost from pushing the fluid back into the canister but i guess that is not how it is designed.

Im almost certain the car that i saw with the kit had a FMIC. Maybe he had the nozzle in the intake for the supercharger and just let it go through the blades.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gLok &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I see what you are saying, if it was post turbo the boost wouldnt allow the fluid to exit the nozzle. I thought the check valves would prevent the boost from pushing the fluid back into the canister but i guess that is not how it is designed.
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With or without check valves, the pressure obtained inside the canister can only be as much as the boost pressure from the supercharger. If the boost is set at 20 psi, there is only 20 psi being pushed out of the nozzle. There is no "external" source of pressure to be able to spray fluid post-turbo (or post- cent. S/C) if the nozzle was placed at the charged side