'01 vs '04
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'01 vs '04
I just need a general opinion. I'm in the market for either an '01 or an '04 S2000. The '04 claims to have more torque, but doesn't rev as high. Which do you guys feel performs better. I also want a fast, reliable car, but money is indeed a factor. I don't intend to do too many mods (at least not until I'm done with college), so you don't really have to consider that. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: '01 vs '04 (CALC!_JUST_du_IT!)
ap1 is u can say its more fun to drive..
but new aerodynamic with larger engine displacement ap2 has better
quality of daily drive..
ap1= u get 3k of fun vtec. ap2= u get only 2~
ap2 is better for daily drive and transmission feels better
and looks better..
i'd go for ap2 if i were u.
but new aerodynamic with larger engine displacement ap2 has better
quality of daily drive..
ap1= u get 3k of fun vtec. ap2= u get only 2~
ap2 is better for daily drive and transmission feels better
and looks better..
i'd go for ap2 if i were u.
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Re: '01 vs '04 (ednyboo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ednyboo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ap1 is u can say its more fun to drive..
but new aerodynamic with larger engine displacement ap2 has better
quality of daily drive..
ap1= u get 3k of fun vtec. ap2= u get only 2~
ap2 is better for daily drive and transmission feels better
and looks better..
i'd go for ap2 if i were u.</TD></TR></TABLE>
all opinions.
Let him drive one of each and make the decision. I see no more fun in driving an AP1 over an AP2.
but new aerodynamic with larger engine displacement ap2 has better
quality of daily drive..
ap1= u get 3k of fun vtec. ap2= u get only 2~
ap2 is better for daily drive and transmission feels better
and looks better..
i'd go for ap2 if i were u.</TD></TR></TABLE>
all opinions. Let him drive one of each and make the decision. I see no more fun in driving an AP1 over an AP2.
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Re: '01 vs '04 (ednyboo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ednyboo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ap1 is u can say its more fun to drive..
but new aerodynamic with larger engine displacement ap2 has better
quality of daily drive..
ap1= u get 3k of fun vtec. ap2= u get only 2~
ap2 is better for daily drive and transmission feels better
and looks better..
i'd go for ap2 if i were u.
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oh..please stop with all the wrong information
3? the vtec engage around 6k last time i check.
.2 plus of displacement, i doubt you can find anything significant, i drove both and the different is very minimiul, .2liter plus or 9k redline.
transmission does feel better better mated to ap2
which model looks better is not something we can tell you, seriously if you are going to drop some money on something you have to drive everyday, please go test both before buying neither one.
but new aerodynamic with larger engine displacement ap2 has better
quality of daily drive..
ap1= u get 3k of fun vtec. ap2= u get only 2~
ap2 is better for daily drive and transmission feels better
and looks better..
i'd go for ap2 if i were u.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
oh..please stop with all the wrong information
3? the vtec engage around 6k last time i check.
.2 plus of displacement, i doubt you can find anything significant, i drove both and the different is very minimiul, .2liter plus or 9k redline.
transmission does feel better better mated to ap2
which model looks better is not something we can tell you, seriously if you are going to drop some money on something you have to drive everyday, please go test both before buying neither one.
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Re: '01 vs '04 (iam7head)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iam7head »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oh..please stop with all the wrong information
3? the vtec engage around 6k last time i check.
.2 plus of displacement, i doubt you can find anything significant, i drove both and the different is very minimiul, .2liter plus or 9k redline.
transmission does feel better better mated to ap2
which model looks better is not something we can tell you, seriously if you are going to drop some money on something you have to drive everyday, please go test both before buying neither one.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i think he ment 3k rpms in Vtec as apposed to 2k..... and the ap2 feels alot differant down low. that .2 extra and the trans make it easier to Daily drive
3? the vtec engage around 6k last time i check.
.2 plus of displacement, i doubt you can find anything significant, i drove both and the different is very minimiul, .2liter plus or 9k redline.
transmission does feel better better mated to ap2
which model looks better is not something we can tell you, seriously if you are going to drop some money on something you have to drive everyday, please go test both before buying neither one.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i think he ment 3k rpms in Vtec as apposed to 2k..... and the ap2 feels alot differant down low. that .2 extra and the trans make it easier to Daily drive
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Re: '01 vs '04 (iam7head)
i felt a significant difference from the 2.0 engine and the 2.2. down low/mid, the 2.2 has more grunt. ap2 also has more aggressive gearing from 1-4.
reasons to buy ap2:
-more power. dont tell me otherwise, we all know the 2.2 liter engine makes more power. i'm just waiting for somebody with a ap2 to dyno with the ap1 rims and vise versa. lets see how much power ap1 puts down with the heavy *** 17 inch ap2 rims.
-better interior.
-better suspension. people from temple of vtec got better times with ap2. just because they softened the rear suspension doesn't mean its somehow not as good as the ap1.
reasons to buy ap1:
-9k redline. doesn't the rx8 rev to 9k as well?
-tighter steering ratio.
-tighter suspension. for most people this is nothing good. snap over-steer is a scary thing.
-cheaper to obtain.
reasons to buy ap2:
-more power. dont tell me otherwise, we all know the 2.2 liter engine makes more power. i'm just waiting for somebody with a ap2 to dyno with the ap1 rims and vise versa. lets see how much power ap1 puts down with the heavy *** 17 inch ap2 rims.
-better interior.
-better suspension. people from temple of vtec got better times with ap2. just because they softened the rear suspension doesn't mean its somehow not as good as the ap1.
reasons to buy ap1:
-9k redline. doesn't the rx8 rev to 9k as well?
-tighter steering ratio.
-tighter suspension. for most people this is nothing good. snap over-steer is a scary thing.
-cheaper to obtain.
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Re: '01 vs '04 (CALC!_JUST_du_IT!)
Don't forget the Plastic window in the older ap1's.
But if you want something to mod. . . stay away from the 06 for a little while longer. No S/C's available
pretty good link
http://www.s2kca.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9319
Modified by Kingsta18 at 12:39 PM 7/17/2006
But if you want something to mod. . . stay away from the 06 for a little while longer. No S/C's available
pretty good link
http://www.s2kca.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9319
Modified by Kingsta18 at 12:39 PM 7/17/2006
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Re: '01 vs '04 (jhan122)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jhan122 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i felt a significant difference from the 2.0 engine and the 2.2. down low/mid, the 2.2 has more grunt. ap2 also has more aggressive gearing from 1-4.
reasons to buy ap2:
-more power. dont tell me otherwise, we all know the 2.2 liter engine makes more power. i'm just waiting for somebody with a ap2 to dyno with the ap1 rims and vise versa. lets see how much power ap1 puts down with the heavy *** 17 inch ap2 rims.
-better interior.
-better suspension. people from temple of vtec got better times with ap2. just because they softened the rear suspension doesn't mean its somehow not as good as the ap1.
reasons to buy ap1:
-9k redline. doesn't the rx8 rev to 9k as well?
-tighter steering ratio.
-tighter suspension. for most people this is nothing good. snap over-steer is a scary thing.
-cheaper to obtain.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Let me guess, you have an ap2?(with all the respect of course)
1)isn't ap2 wheels weight less than ap1? i know it's plus size but didn't some magazine weighted the tire and rims and it's a tad lighter.
2)you always get different result from different driver, so i don't think even an argument, with the car running different tires/rims,etc.
3)oh, please, all the people(including me) thinks the car have snap oversteer(Esp. with ap1). Before saying anything more, please drive a early mkII mr2, the rear wheel will toe out and you are diving straight to the rail. That's snap oversteer.
4)so a rotary with high revs? how else a rotary can make power?
reasons to buy ap2:
-more power. dont tell me otherwise, we all know the 2.2 liter engine makes more power. i'm just waiting for somebody with a ap2 to dyno with the ap1 rims and vise versa. lets see how much power ap1 puts down with the heavy *** 17 inch ap2 rims.
-better interior.
-better suspension. people from temple of vtec got better times with ap2. just because they softened the rear suspension doesn't mean its somehow not as good as the ap1.
reasons to buy ap1:
-9k redline. doesn't the rx8 rev to 9k as well?
-tighter steering ratio.
-tighter suspension. for most people this is nothing good. snap over-steer is a scary thing.
-cheaper to obtain.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Let me guess, you have an ap2?(with all the respect of course)
1)isn't ap2 wheels weight less than ap1? i know it's plus size but didn't some magazine weighted the tire and rims and it's a tad lighter.
2)you always get different result from different driver, so i don't think even an argument, with the car running different tires/rims,etc.
3)oh, please, all the people(including me) thinks the car have snap oversteer(Esp. with ap1). Before saying anything more, please drive a early mkII mr2, the rear wheel will toe out and you are diving straight to the rail. That's snap oversteer.
4)so a rotary with high revs? how else a rotary can make power?
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Re: '01 vs '04 (iam7head)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iam7head »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
oh..please stop with all the wrong information
3? the vtec engage around 6k last time i check.
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-_-;; last time u checked?
there is no s2000 with 3krpm vtec dude-_-;;;;;
maybe it was my english, perhaps ur english.
and true..it was my opinion
oh..please stop with all the wrong information
3? the vtec engage around 6k last time i check.
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-_-;; last time u checked?
there is no s2000 with 3krpm vtec dude-_-;;;;;
maybe it was my english, perhaps ur english.
and true..it was my opinion
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Re: '01 vs '04 (CALC!_JUST_du_IT!)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CALC!_JUST_du_IT! »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just need a general opinion. .</TD></TR></TABLE>
and refer this
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Re: '01 vs '04 (jhan122)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ednyboo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
-_-;; last time u checked?
there is no s2000 with 3krpm vtec dude-_-;;;;;
maybe it was my english, perhaps ur english.
and true..it was my opinion</TD></TR></TABLE>
he was referring to the time spent in vtec in each model.
AP1.... 6k vtec to 9k redline = 3k of "vtec fun"
AP2.... 6k vtec to 8k redline = 2k of "vtec fun"
to the OP, i was in the same market, drove both an ap1 and ap2. after driving the ap2 i would have never gone back. so i bought an my05 w/ 4k miles.
-_-;; last time u checked?
there is no s2000 with 3krpm vtec dude-_-;;;;;
maybe it was my english, perhaps ur english.
and true..it was my opinion</TD></TR></TABLE>
he was referring to the time spent in vtec in each model.
AP1.... 6k vtec to 9k redline = 3k of "vtec fun"
AP2.... 6k vtec to 8k redline = 2k of "vtec fun"
to the OP, i was in the same market, drove both an ap1 and ap2. after driving the ap2 i would have never gone back. so i bought an my05 w/ 4k miles.
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Re: (GUILOTINE)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GUILOTINE »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm going out on a limb here but I really think the AP1 looks better cosmetically, now if we can only get a AP2 motor and tranny in a Ap1 chasis with low miles </TD></TR></TABLE>
Agreed. I love the AP1 look
</TD></TR></TABLE>Agreed. I love the AP1 look
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Re: '01 vs '04 (CALC!_JUST_du_IT!)
I jsut bought an AP2 after driving both back to back. It really is just personal preference.
As for the suspension, correct me if I'm wrong, but the snap oversteer was corrected by actually making the front suspension (rollbar for the most part IIRC) stiffer, not softening the overall car. I believe there was an overall slight softening for comfort reasons though.
As for the suspension, correct me if I'm wrong, but the snap oversteer was corrected by actually making the front suspension (rollbar for the most part IIRC) stiffer, not softening the overall car. I believe there was an overall slight softening for comfort reasons though.
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Re: (brucek2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by brucek2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i love the ap1 front bumper. ap2 lights and tail lights are teh ****.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah, but don't forget
AP1 rear bumper > AP2 rear bumper
yeah, but don't forget
AP1 rear bumper > AP2 rear bumper
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Re: '01 vs '04 (jhan122)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jhan122 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i felt a significant difference from the 2.0 engine and the 2.2. down low/mid, the 2.2 has more grunt. ap2 also has more aggressive gearing from 1-4.
reasons to buy ap2:
-more power. dont tell me otherwise, we all know the 2.2 liter engine makes more power. i'm just waiting for somebody with a ap2 to dyno with the ap1 rims and vise versa. lets see how much power ap1 puts down with the heavy *** 17 inch ap2 rims.
-better interior.
-better suspension. people from temple of vtec got better times with ap2. just because they softened the rear suspension doesn't mean its somehow not as good as the ap1.
reasons to buy ap1:
-9k redline. doesn't the rx8 rev to 9k as well?
-tighter steering ratio.
-tighter suspension. for most people this is nothing good. snap over-steer is a scary thing.
-cheaper to obtain.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
The 2.2L does not make more power. It has been proven many times that both motors put out the same HP. Ap2 and Ap1 wheel/tires weight the same. To be exact, the Ap2/tire combo weighs a couple ounces less than the Ap1/tire combo.
Suspension better? That is all up to the driver. The gearing makes a huge difference on a road course. On some the Ap1 will shine while on another the AP2 will. Again this is all a driver's race when comparing stock vs stock. Also the times are so close they are within .1-.5 seconds per lap. If you look at National Autocross, Ap1's are posting faster times than Ap2's. We all know those guys/gals can drive.
To the original poster, test drive both and buy the one you like better. There will be no other way for you to decide. Either way, you will be happy!
reasons to buy ap2:
-more power. dont tell me otherwise, we all know the 2.2 liter engine makes more power. i'm just waiting for somebody with a ap2 to dyno with the ap1 rims and vise versa. lets see how much power ap1 puts down with the heavy *** 17 inch ap2 rims.
-better interior.
-better suspension. people from temple of vtec got better times with ap2. just because they softened the rear suspension doesn't mean its somehow not as good as the ap1.
reasons to buy ap1:
-9k redline. doesn't the rx8 rev to 9k as well?
-tighter steering ratio.
-tighter suspension. for most people this is nothing good. snap over-steer is a scary thing.
-cheaper to obtain.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
The 2.2L does not make more power. It has been proven many times that both motors put out the same HP. Ap2 and Ap1 wheel/tires weight the same. To be exact, the Ap2/tire combo weighs a couple ounces less than the Ap1/tire combo.
Suspension better? That is all up to the driver. The gearing makes a huge difference on a road course. On some the Ap1 will shine while on another the AP2 will. Again this is all a driver's race when comparing stock vs stock. Also the times are so close they are within .1-.5 seconds per lap. If you look at National Autocross, Ap1's are posting faster times than Ap2's. We all know those guys/gals can drive.
To the original poster, test drive both and buy the one you like better. There will be no other way for you to decide. Either way, you will be happy!
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Re: '01 vs '04 (Mr. Nishant)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr. Nishant »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The 2.2L does not make more power. It has been proven many times that both motors put out the same HP. Ap2 and Ap1 wheel/tires weight the same. To be exact, the Ap2/tire combo weighs a couple ounces less than the Ap1/tire combo.
Suspension better? That is all up to the driver. The gearing makes a huge difference on a road course. On some the Ap1 will shine while on another the AP2 will. Again this is all a driver's race when comparing stock vs stock. Also the times are so close they are within .1-.5 seconds per lap. If you look at National Autocross, Ap1's are posting faster times than Ap2's. We all know those guys/gals can drive.
To the original poster, test drive both and buy the one you like better. There will be no other way for you to decide. Either way, you will be happy!</TD></TR></TABLE>
great reply
The 2.2L does not make more power. It has been proven many times that both motors put out the same HP. Ap2 and Ap1 wheel/tires weight the same. To be exact, the Ap2/tire combo weighs a couple ounces less than the Ap1/tire combo.
Suspension better? That is all up to the driver. The gearing makes a huge difference on a road course. On some the Ap1 will shine while on another the AP2 will. Again this is all a driver's race when comparing stock vs stock. Also the times are so close they are within .1-.5 seconds per lap. If you look at National Autocross, Ap1's are posting faster times than Ap2's. We all know those guys/gals can drive.
To the original poster, test drive both and buy the one you like better. There will be no other way for you to decide. Either way, you will be happy!</TD></TR></TABLE>
great reply
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Re: '01 vs '04 (Mr. Nishant)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr. Nishant »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 2.2L does not make more power. It has been proven many times that both motors put out the same HP. Ap2 and Ap1 wheel/tires weight the same. To be exact, the Ap2/tire combo weighs a couple ounces less than the Ap1/tire combo.
Suspension better? That is all up to the driver. The gearing makes a huge difference on a road course. On some the Ap1 will shine while on another the AP2 will. Again this is all a driver's race when comparing stock vs stock. Also the times are so close they are within .1-.5 seconds per lap. If you look at National Autocross, Ap1's are posting faster times than Ap2's. We all know those guys/gals can drive.
To the original poster, test drive both and buy the one you like better. There will be no other way for you to decide. Either way, you will be happy!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Sums up the differences quite well.
Right now IMHO, picking up an 02 is the best value. You get the glass window and most 02s are still in good shape. Additionally, you'll be able to find a respectable one for around 16k. The only negative is the routine maintainance you may have to do which can be costly if you don't do your own repairs (specifically replacing the clutch).
As Nishant wrote, performance is a wash. Go to an autocross/road course and you'll have your hands/attention full trying to extract 9/10 of the performance with either model. Also factor where you spend most of your time. If you're on the highway, 90% you're not gonna miss the 0.2 L, however if you find yourself in town often, then the 0.2 L will be appreciated.
Suspension better? That is all up to the driver. The gearing makes a huge difference on a road course. On some the Ap1 will shine while on another the AP2 will. Again this is all a driver's race when comparing stock vs stock. Also the times are so close they are within .1-.5 seconds per lap. If you look at National Autocross, Ap1's are posting faster times than Ap2's. We all know those guys/gals can drive.
To the original poster, test drive both and buy the one you like better. There will be no other way for you to decide. Either way, you will be happy!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Sums up the differences quite well.
Right now IMHO, picking up an 02 is the best value. You get the glass window and most 02s are still in good shape. Additionally, you'll be able to find a respectable one for around 16k. The only negative is the routine maintainance you may have to do which can be costly if you don't do your own repairs (specifically replacing the clutch).
As Nishant wrote, performance is a wash. Go to an autocross/road course and you'll have your hands/attention full trying to extract 9/10 of the performance with either model. Also factor where you spend most of your time. If you're on the highway, 90% you're not gonna miss the 0.2 L, however if you find yourself in town often, then the 0.2 L will be appreciated.
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