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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 06:06 PM
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Well when I am sitting at a stop(with clutch pedal down) its hard to get into any gear at all, and sometimes it grinds. I am guessing master cylinder. when I swapped it I bled the line and it worked great for 3 monthes.


You tell me.

P.S. shifts fine while driving.
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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 06:07 PM
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Look under the clutch pedal for leaks... and is there fluid in your clutch tank?
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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 06:14 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fms1day &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Look under the clutch pedal for leaks... and is there fluid in your clutch tank?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have checked everywhere but under the pedal. I know that the fluid reservoir is full
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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 06:18 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fms1day &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Look under the clutch pedal for leaks... and is there fluid in your clutch tank?</TD></TR></TABLE>


I have not checked for leaks but I know that the fluid resivoir is full
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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 07:39 PM
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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 07:48 PM
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Have someone pump the clutch while you watch the slave cylinder...That will tell you if your hydraulic system is good...If the slave moves very little or the clutch pedal feels overly soft, you could have a bad master or slave cyl. or just air in the lines...
They can be tricky to bleed sometimes and is almost always easier to have a second person help. Use the old "pump, pump, pump, pump, hold" technique. Always works for me
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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 08:31 PM
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anyone else have input?
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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 09:34 PM
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 01:44 AM
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check your release bearing..
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 11:25 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sohc1200cc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">check your release bearing..</TD></TR></TABLE>


Its only 3 monthes old and its an ACT
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 11:27 AM
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there has been three inputs... wondering if you even performed any of these. Because if you haven't then there's not much H-T can help you with.
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 11:30 AM
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did you set the free play on the new master cylinder? had one do what yours is doing and in about the same time period. adjsted for the prop free play and things worked great
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 12:16 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fms1day &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there has been three inputs... wondering if you even performed any of these. Because if you haven't then there's not much H-T can help you with.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Thanks for your input but I am looking for input that actually helps me out.
Yes I have performed all of these.
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 12:17 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by instructor74 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">did you set the free play on the new master cylinder? had one do what yours is doing and in about the same time period. adjsted for the prop free play and things worked great</TD></TR></TABLE>


Its not a new master cylinder
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 12:21 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by redej878 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyone else have input?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah: you don't need two people to bleed the clutch system. The valve is such that you can open it, connect it to a tube submerged in fluid, walk back to the car and pump the clutch as many times as you'd like without introducing air into the system. Technically, you can do this without submerging the line in fluid - that's how I do it - and it takes about two minutes to insure that the system is 100% full of fluid and no air.

If the master and slave cylinders are fine, it's a problem with your clutch pressure plate or throwout bearing. Sucks, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.
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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 06:45 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by redej878 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


Its not a new master cylinder</TD></TR></TABLE>
So let me get this straight you put a used master cylinder in the car it worked great for 3 months and now it acting up. So in your mind it it can't be the master cylinder. Not to be a dick but have you done anything listed above to check for leaks. or a problem with the slave cylinder
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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 07:06 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by instructor74 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
So let me get this straight you put a used master cylinder in the car it worked great for 3 months and now it acting up. So in your mind it it can't be the master cylinder. Not to be a dick but have you done anything listed above to check for leaks. or a problem with the slave cylinder</TD></TR></TABLE>


Will you please show me where I say I am using a used master cylinder??? please?

Yes I HAVE done everything above.

since the problem started I have also changed master and slave cylinder.
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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 08:42 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by redej878 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well when I am sitting at a stop(with clutch pedal down) its hard to get into any gear at all, and sometimes it grinds. I am guessing master cylinder. when I swapped it I bled the line and it worked great for 3 months</TD></TR></TABLE>

I see where the confusion comes in. When I said I swapped it I meant as in swapped the motor.


Sorry for the confusion. My fault.
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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 08:50 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by redej878 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I see where the confusion comes in. When I said I swapped it I meant as in swapped the motor.


Sorry for the confusion. My fault.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You know the master cylinder isn't the one on the transmission, right? That's the slave cylinder and it's even cheaper and easier to replace
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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 09:28 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You know the master cylinder isn't the one on the transmission, right? That's the slave cylinder and it's even cheaper and easier to replace </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah I did know that I replaced the master and that didn't work so I tried the slave and that didn't work so my guess is that its something to do with the TO bearing or pressure plate.
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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 06:03 AM
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some times that little bit of extra info is needed so we can give you suggestion on were the problem might be<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by redej878 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Yeah I did know that I replaced the master and that didn't work so I tried the slave and that didn't work so my guess is that its something to do with the TO bearing or pressure plate.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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