It looks as if all the whole black layer of a fresh new gasket was missing on the removed gasket. When you guys pulled off your old gaskets, did it have the black sides still on the gasket?

mine was three layers or copper colored surfaces... the black surface was not there, but I saw traces of what could be considered the black layer.

EDIT: I believe the shop just used a light coat of copper spray.










But notice how the black layer is burned off where the sleeves sit...


Modified by igo4bmx at 6:55 PM 6/1/2006


Modified by igo4bmx at 6:55 PM 6/1/2006

 

Which cylinders were missing the black layer?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostincoupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Which cylinders were missing the black layer?</TD></TR></TABLE>

the whole thing

 

Did you copperspray it?

 

A little sleeve walking...

 

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What makes you say that?

 

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i don't see copper spray, and a shop did it

EDIT: I'm thinking about a blockguard possibly, and file it down just enough so it fits in the block, without using force to get it in there... I doubt that would shift the sleeves doing that

 

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i don't see copper spray, and a shop did it

EDIT: I'm thinking about a blockguard possibly, and file it down just enough so it fits in the block, without using force to get it in there... I doubt that would shift the sleeves doing that</TD></TR></TABLE>

I bet that it's just a mess of copperspray that you're looking at, didn't you say it looks coppery with some black? The stock gasket is black and steel colored, there's no copper in it anywhere. Can you post pics?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RyanCivic2000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I bet that it's just a mess of copperspray that you're looking at, didn't you say it looks coppery with some black? The stock gasket is black and steel colored, there's no copper in it anywhere. Can you post pics?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i'll post pics when i get back to mycar, which is 40 mins from where i live

you can see traces of copper stuff on the head and block, but it doesn't look like its reminants from a spray.

 

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i'll post pics when i get back to mycar, which is 40 mins from where i live

you can see traces of copper stuff on the head and block, but it doesn't look like its reminants from a spray.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm 99.99% sure it's copperspray. There isn't any copper in the stock gasket.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RyanCivic2000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm 99.99% sure it's copperspray. There isn't any copper in the stock gasket.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well the one question I have is... how do I know this is a true OEM gasket and not something else?

 

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well the one question I have is... how do I know this is a true OEM gasket and not something else?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well that's a good point too I guess. Is it a three layer gasket? I guess we'll know more once we get some pics. So the shop bought the gasket, not you I take it?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RyanCivic2000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well that's a good point too I guess. Is it a three layer gasket? I guess we'll know more once we get some pics. So the shop bought the gasket, not you I take it?</TD></TR></TABLE>

shop built the complete motor- so i'm not sure which gasket it is..
now Im anxious to go drive 45mins to see my car and take pics!

 

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shop built the complete motor- so i'm not sure which gasket it is..
now Im anxious to go drive 45mins to see my car and take pics!
</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well hurry up and get over there!

 

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What makes you say that?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I've had a few of my own and other D16 gaskets in the past looked at by some reputable engine builders. Can't say 100% that its the culprit, however its certainly not helping the situation.

And why do people use copper spray Anyways? Yes it's sticky, but one of the properties of cooper is to weap coolant...


Modified by ELSpool at 7:08 PM 5/31/2006

 

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And why do people use copper spray Anyways? Yes it's sticky, but one of the properties of cooper is to weap coolant... </TD></TR></TABLE>

I've had worse luck with copper spray then without so I don't use it anymore.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ELSpool &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A little sleeve walking...</TD></TR></TABLE>

The little sleeves talking...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by igo4bmx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can see traces of copper stuff on the head and block, but it doesn't look like its reminants from a spray.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You sure that isn't a little rust, from water in the coolant hitting the tops of the sleeves?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by J. Davis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The little sleeves talking...

You sure that isn't a little rust, from water in the coolant hitting the tops of the sleeves?</TD></TR></TABLE>

nah, not dark enough to be rust, and also its on the deck of the block too..
I'll post pics shortly!

 

Eh? Small traces of rust in a little coolant/oil look fairly bright orange.

 

bump

 

bump

 

Yes sir that's copper spray just like I thought. Notice the parts where the copper spray stayed completely intact where the gasket sticks out of the block?