i recently just got this motor broken in and i was wondering:
1. what would it be safe to take my Redline to (DD)?
2. how do i install a filter / film on my turbo so i dont suck in microparticles of dust/dirt/sand?
3.do i need to install a dump tube if i dont have one?
4. how much oil is it for a turbo car. same as NA? juss check the dipstick?
5. how can i drive on freeway and be safe? i start spooling at around 3.5 and i have Gsr Tranny.
6. also what am i missing in my turbo setup? fuel management? anything? etc any opionions / hints would help.. im new to forced induction

heres my specs:
tuned @ 6psi as of right now. plannin on installing HKS wastegate & gauges and tune @10 psi.
B18B 1.8L Non-Vtec Head
- Port and Polished
B20 Block
- Bored/Sleeved 84mm
- Sleeved by Golden Eagle
JE Pistons 8.0:1 and Piston Rings
Eagle Rods
Turbonetics T3/T4 Hybrid Turbocharger
Rev Hard Turbo Manifold
Spearco Front Mount Intercooler
Walbro 255lph Fuel Pump
RC 550cc Fuel Injectors
FAL Slim Fan
HKS Super Sequential BOV
HKS Iridium Spark Plugs
HKS Super Mega Flow Intake
Password JDM Cooling Plate




Modified by JesDM at 8:07 PM 5/27/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JesDM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i recently just got this motor broken in and i was wondering:
1. what would it be safe to take my Redline to (DD)?
2. how do i install a filter / film on my turbo so i dont suck in microparticles of dust/dirt/sand?
3.do i need to install a dump tube if i dont have one?

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1. On your non-vtec setup, it would be more dependent on your valvetrain (you didnt state if the valvesprings and retainers were upgraded or not) and powerband (why rev past 7000 if you're not making anymore power).
2. You got to get creative with it. Try finding a place that sells silicone tubing in long lengths. contact Rob Cardona at RacingSportsAkimoto. He helped me a great deal with intake setup recently.
3. If you have space and provisions to run a dump tube for your wastegate, by all means run one. In crazy cases a dump tube has been seen to add 40+whp.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spec R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1. On your non-vtec setup, it would be more dependent on your valvetrain (you didnt state if the valvesprings and retainers were upgraded or not) and powerband (why rev past 7000 if you're not making anymore power).
2. You got to get creative with it. Try finding a place that sells silicone tubing in long lengths. contact Rob Cardona at RacingSportsAkimoto. He helped me a great deal with intake setup recently.
3. If you have space and provisions to run a dump tube for your wastegate, by all means run one. In crazy cases a dump tube has been seen to add 40+whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ic. forgot to mention. valve train is OEM and valve springs nd retainers are oem. i know im not reving past 7.. right now im going to like 5.5k -6k.. wondering if i can go up to 6.5 or 7k and be safe..

 

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ic. forgot to mention. valve train is OEM and valve springs nd retainers are oem. i know im not reving past 7.. right now im going to like 5.5k -6k.. wondering if i can go up to 6.5 or 7k and be safe..</TD></TR></TABLE>

given my current setup...theres no reason for me to even go past 6.5k the torque curve drops off pretty fast, and the car just doesnt seem to pull as well anyway. theres a math equation involved, but it requires precise knowledge of your tq and hp curves...

buuuut...in first gear and second sometimes, i will bounce my limiter, either when i break traction, or when the car is just going too fast. then again, i set my limiter to 6900 in crome just to be on the safe side.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spec R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">given my current setup...theres no reason for me to even go past 6.5k the torque curve drops off pretty fast, and the car just doesnt seem to pull as well anyway. theres a math equation involved, but it requires precise knowledge of your tq and hp curves...

buuuut...in first gear and second sometimes, i will bounce my limiter, either when i break traction, or when the car is just going too fast. then again, i set my limiter to 6900 in crome just to be on the safe side.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what is ur setup?

 

B18B1 stock internals with Greddy TD05H-18G....basically a Greddy kit that i had to piece together, but with 440cc injectors tuned on CromePro.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spec R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">B18B1 stock internals with Greddy TD05H-18G....basically a Greddy kit that i had to piece together, but with 440cc injectors tuned on CromePro.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ic. mines tuned on chrome pro too.. but thing is i have that b20 block.. i dunno what i should be shifting at to be safe?? i hear 5.5 to be SAFE.. 6...pushin it?? 7 should be too far??

 

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ic. mines tuned on chrome pro too.. but thing is i have that b20 block.. i dunno what i should be shifting at to be safe?? i hear 5.5 to be SAFE.. 6...pushin it?? 7 should be too far??</TD></TR></TABLE>

why would that be pushing it. Just wondering. I had a B20 block tht i was taking to 8K but that was with a GSR head.

Is the LS valve springs that week. Otherwise I would say it would be safe to take it to whatever a normal LS would rev out to.

Dumptub yes I watched a guy pick up 25whp by adding on his turbo was sucking in the hot air.

There are pletny of airfliters out ther that are desgins to fit on the turbo K& N make a few. You might need to have a tube FAbbed up though.

If the car is tuned it should be safe to run on the high way. If you are looking at your boost gauge you should not have any boost pressure on the highway it should be in vaccum or around 0 on the gauge until you step on the gas

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Fitti (Godzilla) &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why would that be pushing it. Just wondering. I had a B20 block tht i was taking to 8K but that was with a GSR head.

Is the LS valve springs that week. Otherwise I would say it would be safe to take it to whatever a normal LS would rev out to.

Dumptub yes I watched a guy pick up 25whp by adding on his turbo was sucking in the hot air.

There are pletny of airfliters out ther that are desgins to fit on the turbo K& N make a few. You might need to have a tube FAbbed up though.

If the car is tuned it should be safe to run on the high way. If you are looking at your boost gauge you should not have any boost pressure on the highway it should be in vaccum or around 0 on the gauge until you step on the gas</TD></TR></TABLE>

well b20's redline is like 5isnt it?? so with ls head rev'in it to like 6would be safe.. but 7???? i dunno about that..

 

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ic. mines tuned on chrome pro too.. but thing is i have that b20 block.. i dunno what i should be shifting at to be safe?? i hear 5.5 to be SAFE.. 6...pushin it?? 7 should be too far??</TD></TR></TABLE>

the sleeve design of the b20 leaves it vulnerable to excessive piston sideloading. and you guessed it, the sideloads are the most under booooost, especially in higher gears. i'm not sure exactly what the boost/power limit is for most b20s, but every engine is different.

I'd say, do not boost for more than 10-15 seconds if that in 4th or 5th gear.

with our setups jesdm...were pushing like 9-11 whp/tq per psi...you going from 5.5 to 7 is what, 15 whp...do u think you're going to break stuff doing that? i dont think so...b20s have been exposed to more extreme cases.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spec R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the sleeve design of the b20 leaves it vulnerable to excessive piston sideloading. and you guessed it, the sideloads are the most under booooost, especially in higher gears. i'm not sure exactly what the boost/power limit is for most b20s, but every engine is different.

I'd say, do not boost for more than 10-15 seconds if that in 4th or 5th gear.

with our setups jesdm...were pushing like 9-11 whp/tq per psi...you going from 5.5 to 7 is what, 15 whp...do u think you're going to break stuff doing that? i dont think so...b20s have been exposed to more extreme cases.</TD></TR></TABLE>

so me rev'in till lke 7grand 1ist through 3rd should be safe with my setup. but in 4th or 5th gear. dont boost for too long ie 10-15 secs? (4th gear i cant boost that long either. gsr tranny makes me shift to 5th)

 

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so me rev'in till lke 7grand 1ist through 3rd should be safe with my setup. but in 4th or 5th gear. dont boost for too long ie 10-15 secs?</TD></TR></TABLE>

WAAIT, dude your bottom end is fully built. i wouldnt blink at throwing the 7 pounds at your setup.

7100 is the safe limit for the LS valvetrain. but even then you can still throw waaaay more boost if u wanted. just dont go past 7100rpm.

 

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dont boost for too long ie 10-15 secs? (4th gear i cant boost that long either. gsr tranny makes me shift to 5th)</TD></TR></TABLE>

man, i didnt know you had a gsr tranny too..i have one also.

even if u do boost in 5th...its not like you're flooring it for long anyway, by the time you look down, you're already in "arrest me mr. officer" territory.

you should be fine.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spec R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WAAIT, dude your bottom end is fully built. i wouldnt blink at throwing the 7 pounds at your setup.

7100 is the safe limit for the LS valvetrain. but even then you can still throw waaaay more boost if u wanted. just dont go past 7100rpm.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ic. 7krpm safe then? even with jdm b20 block. ic..

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spec R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">man, i didnt know you had a gsr tranny too..i have one also.

even if u do boost in 5th...its not like you're flooring it for long anyway, by the time you look down, you're already in "arrest me mr. officer" territory.

you should be fine. </TD></TR></TABLE>

lol yeah true.. im in KM's so ****** i dunno how fast im going.. juss know not to pass 160KM cause that = 100mph..

 

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ic. 7krpm safe then? even with jdm b20 block. ic..

lol yeah true.. im in KM's so ****** i dunno how fast im going.. juss know not to pass 160KM cause that = 100mph..</TD></TR></TABLE>

its not just your basic jdm b20 block...but a sleeeeved and forged internals b20 block

 

seriously I revved my none built B20 to 8k on a regular basis. No problems with the block at all.

 

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yeah i know that.. but my car is TurboCharged.. wouldnt it be working my motor even harder so i would not be able to go at such high rpm.. i would only like to go to 6.8krpm becuase thast my peak. after that, my dyno sheets show a downhill

 

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yeah i know that.. but my car is TurboCharged.. wouldnt it be working my motor even harder so i would not be able to go at such high rpm.. i would only like to go to 6.8krpm becuase thast my peak. after that, my dyno sheets show a downhill </TD></TR></TABLE>

My car was turbo as well

 

My friend has a JDM b20 in his car, which we put in , totally stock with a t3/t4 turbo 3" down pipe and ecut out, and some other stuff. Tuned to 9psi. It has been running fine for the last couple of months. It is really fast and we have taken it to like 7600rpm. in 1st gear. It has a b16 tranny so you have to shift really fast. There have been no issues with the motor itself yet, nad the set up is pretty clean and fast. You go through the gears in like no time. The b16 tranny gears are sick, at like 90 you are at like 5k rpm in 5th. nutz

With your setup I would not even think about it. Just get it tuned for like 12 daily and 20psi at the track, that should be sick.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drintegra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My friend has a JDM b20 in his car, which we put in , totally stock with a t3/t4 turbo 3" down pipe and ecut out, and some other stuff. Tuned to 9psi. It has been running fine for the last couple of months. It is really fast and we have taken it to like 7600rpm. in 1st gear. It has a b16 tranny so you have to shift really fast. There have been no issues with the motor itself yet, nad the set up is pretty clean and fast. You go through the gears in like no time. The b16 tranny gears are sick, at like 90 you are at like 5k rpm in 5th. nutz

With your setup I would not even think about it. Just get it tuned for like 12 daily and 20psi at the track, that should be sick. </TD></TR></TABLE>

damn ic.. well my dyno papers showing that i go downhill after 6.8k so im only gona shift at 6.8 i guess its safe now since im hearing u guys say it too. im plannin on dyno'in at 10psi DD. track i dunno.