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Old May 10, 2006 | 08:59 PM
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I searched, and half the threads say there is no need for a camber kit at all, and some say its a must.

I got some koni full coilovers, and I'll be lowering the car enough to eliminate this wheel gap, probably an inch and a half. I don't want to be fully lowered, but the current look is ridiclious.



After install I plan to get an alingment and tell them to set the toe to 0, apparently with that I won't need a camber kit according to some threads.


My other question is will I need an alingment every time I raise/lower the car(i.e. for winter)
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Old May 10, 2006 | 09:22 PM
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Default Re: Will I need a camber kit? (njandrewg)

You do NOT need a camber kit. If you lower your integra 1.5", you'll have roughly -1.8 degrees of camber. Get the shop to set the toe to zero, not to "within spec" and your tires will wear well. Everytime you change your ride height, you need to do an alignment.
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Old May 10, 2006 | 09:24 PM
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No need for camber kit. What wheels are those?
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Old May 10, 2006 | 09:26 PM
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They look like 5zigen wheels.
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Old May 10, 2006 | 09:34 PM
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5zigen imperio M-05
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Old May 11, 2006 | 08:44 AM
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just get the alignment.
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Old May 11, 2006 | 08:50 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by njandrewg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> tell them to set the toe to 0, apparently with that I won't need a camber kit according to some threads.
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Correct.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by njandrewg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My other question is will I need an alingment every time I raise/lower the car(i.e. for winter)</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes. Toe changes everytime you change the ride height of the car.

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Old May 11, 2006 | 08:56 AM
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how much does an alignment usually cost? And whats the best place to go get one?
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Old May 11, 2006 | 08:57 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by njandrewg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My other question is will I need an alingment every time I raise/lower the car(i.e. for winter)</TD></TR></TABLE>

yup.

i find ppl always think when they get GC, they plan on raising the car "for winter", but rarely ever bother when the time comes anyway...
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Old May 11, 2006 | 09:48 AM
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yeah, but its nice knowing you have that option w/o taking the whole car apart again
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Old May 11, 2006 | 09:49 AM
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oh yeah another question, do coilovers settle like springs? Or do they remain exactly the same after you drop the car on the ground the first time?
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Old May 11, 2006 | 09:51 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by njandrewg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
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Looks like more than a 1.5" fender/tire gap. You may want to go a little lower (still won't need a camber kit)...
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Old May 11, 2006 | 10:40 AM
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yeah I think you are right I measured the distance in that line on the fender , and it turned out to be 1.5", then I lowered the car in photoshop by that amount.

So how low do you have to be, to need a camber kit?
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Old May 11, 2006 | 11:02 AM
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Thats where the debate rages on. There's NO need to start it again (and agian, and again, etc...). Lets just say you need a camber kit if you cannot get uneven tire wear under control AFTER getting an alignment...

Just keep an eye on the tires. You'll be surprised. I have no camber adjustment, and my civic is lowered 3"...
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Old May 11, 2006 | 01:41 PM
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how much does an alignment cost? I never had to do one
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Old May 11, 2006 | 01:43 PM
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$60-90

to answer the question of "how low until camber becomes an issue", if youre low enough that you have to worry about camber, youve got other suspension issues like not having enough shock travel....
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Old May 11, 2006 | 05:12 PM
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k thanks
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Old May 12, 2006 | 01:04 PM
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yeah, currently i have agx with H&R sport on my 96 accord, the fronts seem like having less shock travel due to the bumpstop
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Old May 12, 2006 | 01:30 PM
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Did you trim the bumpstop when doing the instalation?

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Old May 12, 2006 | 01:50 PM
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no.. just swap everything from the stock suspension
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Old May 12, 2006 | 01:52 PM
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When you lower your car, you are supposed to cut the bumpstops. Usually they get cut in half. Don't use LESS than 1 inch of bumpstop...
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Old May 12, 2006 | 01:57 PM
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o ****.. what would happen if i didnt cut the bumbstops
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Old May 12, 2006 | 04:55 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jli18 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">o ****.. what would happen if i didnt cut the bumbstops</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, obviously you're riding on them

Won't really hurt anything but ride quality.

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Old May 13, 2006 | 10:34 AM
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no wonder the front shakes :-D. gotta fix that later on
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