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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 06:12 AM
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Here is the link
http://www.acuraoemparts.com/d...ch=no

and it so happens that for $20 i picked up a MC, but it was missing the shaft? ( is this what it is called ?) like on the link, #1 has no shaft that goes into the and # 2 has it.

To clear up I got the same MC as #2 but i do not have the shaft..... like #1.

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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 06:15 AM
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Hmmmmm..... here
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWDVW

you can see the metal piece ( shaft?? ) that pushes out??
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 06:21 AM
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I think i found it......
http://www.acuraoemparts.com/d...ch=no

I got the brake booster from the 2000
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 06:23 AM
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There is a different Master Cylinder.

In 1998, Acura switched to the new ABS system without the resevoir mounted on the ABS Unit itself in favor of using just the Brake Master Cylinder Resevoir to hold the brake fluid. Also the Brake Lines will not line up properly.

1997 Integra Type R Brake Master Cylinder: 46100-SW5-A12
1998, 2000, 2001 Integra Type R Brake Master Cylinder: 46100-ST7-L51
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 06:25 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nicram &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think i found it......
http://www.acuraoemparts.com/d...ch=no

I got the brake booster from the 2000 </TD></TR></TABLE>

Brake Booster is also different:

97 = 46400-S47-J51
98, 00, 01 = 46400-S84-E01

And let's see if Delray will actually help you out when you need it.
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 06:30 AM
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Soooo...... i see the part number is different by looking only at the pic the MC from the 2000 LS and 2000 Type R are almost identical, except the metal shaft ?? What about performance??


Here is the 2001 Type R
http://www.acuraoemparts.com/d...ch=no
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 06:37 AM
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Damn!!! 4 Door Gs has a different MC then a 3 door
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 06:41 AM
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Nicram,

A 2000 LS and 2000 ITR shares the same part number for the master cylinder. It's the 46100-ST7-L51 and it does not have the rod protruding out of it like in the diagram.

Keep in mind, the Diagram is to just give you a general idea of what the part may look like and in no way represents the exact part.
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 06:43 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nicram &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Damn!!! 4 Door Gs has a different MC then a 3 door</TD></TR></TABLE>

A 2000 4 Door GS shares the same (46100-ST7-L51) part number. I don't think the difference is model specific, but year specific.
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 06:45 AM
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I just so happen to have a 1994 to 1997 Integra (except RS and Type R) master cylinder and it does have the rod protruding out of it.
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 06:48 AM
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So only the 2000 and up integra Brake booster will work? Correct?
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 06:54 AM
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Len please have some patience with me!!! I might be going in circles.
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 07:10 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nicram &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Len please have some patience with me!!! I might be going in circles.</TD></TR></TABLE>

LoL. PM me. I have all the patience in the world.
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 07:19 AM
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Old Feb 21, 2006 | 09:29 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by len &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is a different Master Cylinder.
In 1998, Acura switched to the new ABS system without the resevoir mounted on the ABS Unit itself in favor of using just the Brake Master Cylinder Resevoir to hold the brake fluid. Also the Brake Lines will not line up properly.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Just curious: would the 94-97 master cylinder work with the 98-01 ABS pump? Are there any significant differences between the 94-97 and 98-01 master cylinders?
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Old Feb 21, 2006 | 05:19 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dwolsten &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just curious: would the 94-97 master cylinder work with the 98-01 ABS pump? Are there any significant differences between the 94-97 and 98-01 master cylinders?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Placement of the metal brake lines mounting on the master cylinder is different. Also, like the picture shows, the rod extending from the mastercylinder wouldn't not physically mate up to one another without the replacement of the brake booster.
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Old Feb 21, 2006 | 06:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by len &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Placement of the metal brake lines mounting on the master cylinder is different. Also, like the picture shows, the rod extending from the mastercylinder wouldn't not physically mate up to one another without the replacement of the brake booster.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Is the rod really different, or is that just a mistake in the illustration? One thing that's definitely different is the placement of the mounting holes: on the 94-97 MCs, the holes on the mounting flange are diagonally placed, whereas on the 98-01(from the illustration) they're horizontal.

I'm just wondering if it's possible to put a 98-01 ABS pump in a 94-97 Integra without changing the MC, which also requires changing the booster. (I know the ABS computer has to match the pump.)
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Old Feb 22, 2006 | 12:09 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dwolsten &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm just wondering if it's possible to put a 98-01 ABS pump in a 94-97 Integra without changing the MC, which also requires changing the booster. (I know the ABS computer has to match the pump.)</TD></TR></TABLE>

If I'm not mistaken, I believe it doesn't have the same amount of lines coming into and out of the pump assembly. If it does it will require you to modify the position of the brake pipes. Other than that and the ABS Control Unit, I don't see where there would be a problem, unless you had incompatibility issues with the ABS Control Unit and the Wheel Sensors.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by len &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If I'm not mistaken, I believe it doesn't have the same amount of lines coming into and out of the pump assembly. If it does it will require you to modify the position of the brake pipes. Other than that and the ABS Control Unit, I don't see where there would be a problem, unless you had incompatibility issues with the ABS Control Unit and the Wheel Sensors.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm pretty sure both units have 6 lines: 2 from the master cylinder, and 4 to the brake calipers. I have a 94 Integra now that I'd like to put a 98-01 ABS system on, to save space and weight (also, the newer one is supposed to be 4-channel instead of 3-channel), and I've already acquired the ABS pump and computer, so I just wanted to make sure there wouldn't be a problem with the MC. I'm probably going to install all-new stainless 3/16" tubing, reusing the stock fittings, so the positions of the pipes shouldn't be a problem.
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