what is the main purpose to having "rear fill" speakers in the back of a car/truck?
what are the advantages to running rear fill speakers as opposed to kick panel and door speakers up front?
what "type" of speaker should be outfitted as a "rear fill" speaker? as well as what frequencies of the sound should generally be heard out of these rears?

i am asking this because i am debating doing a 3 way set in doors and 2 way in kicks, as opposed to a 3 way set in doors and a set of rear fills in back. 2 under-the-seat subwoofers and a 12w6 in back will accompany.

12w6 powered by jl 500/1
2 shallow subs powered by jl 300/2
3 ways and/or kicks/rear fills powered by jl 300/4

this install plan is for a club cab dakota and im looking for very crisp sound quality with tight bass. i listen to a very wide array of music genre.

i hope this is detailed enough.. any opinions, advice or knowledge to the components of my new stereo, amplifier to speaker matchup, speaker/subwoofer placement, or amount of power given to speakers/subwoofers would be awesome.
thanks guys

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LSRracing95 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what is the main purpose to having "rear fill" speakers in the back of a car/truck?
what are the advantages to running rear fill speakers as opposed to kick panel and door speakers up front?
what "type" of speaker should be outfitted as a "rear fill" speaker? as well as what frequencies of the sound should generally be heard out of these rears?

i am asking this because i am debating doing a 3 way set in doors and 2 way in kicks, as opposed to a 3 way set in doors and a set of rear fills in back. 2 under-the-seat subwoofers and a 12w6 in back will accompany.

12w6 powered by jl 500/1
2 shallow subs powered by jl 300/2
3 ways and/or kicks/rear fills powered by jl 300/4
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Most people install speakers in the back to "fill out the sound" or to have "surround sound" these people are dumb. I'd guess about 99% of the time people think a front stage only setup sounds hollow or think for a few reasons. One is that the speakers are not set up properly. If you just install a component set in the door it wont sound very good. It'll sound decent, but decent isnt good enough.

The only situation where i can see rear speakers serving a purpose is if you have them playing on a time delay in which case you will also have a lowpass filter on them. The idea behind doing this is they will simulate the reflection of sound waves off the rear wall thus making it seem as if your listening enviroment is much larger.

As for your setup. Dont do 2-way and 3-way coax's. more tweeters and mids doesnt equal better sound. You're best bet is to get something like the dynaudio system 360 which will give you a large midbass driver to mound in the doors and a small midrange and tweeter combo that are easy to mount in kick panels.

 

Definatley not on a truck. There's no rear to fill. Rear fill is only useful when you have rear passengers and you're driving a bus or something where they can't hear the fronts. It's detrimental to sound quality and it's a waste of money.

I took out my rear speakers and put front components in along with a sub. Best goddamn thing I ever did. Seems like youre in the recording studio. I can hear small details that weren't really intended to be heard, and it really fools you into thinking you're there.

I traded the rear speaker covers for solid covers and $20 bucks.

 

hey guys thanks for the replies.
my setup now consists of no rears in an integra 2 door.
i wasnt planning on running rears with my new setup either, i dont like rear speakers at all.
i dont run coaxials speakers either.
i have a 3-way component set for doors, and 2-way components for kicks.. might not run tweets in kick though, just drivers.
as well as my under seat subs and a w6 in back.
im anxious to do this whole setup and hear what its like. there is a lot of sufficient power that will be supplied and it should be a nice clean, sql truck

this setup will not be short changed in any aspect, from speakers, to amps, to deadening all the way to RCA choice.. its all top notch.. the only way to be.

so ive decided.. against rears once again.. thank you.. anything anyone else has to chiime in with would be great. thanks for the opinions from both of you so far

 

How are you going to fit a component set into the kicks? I'm asking this, 'cause I also have a Dakota and thought about doing it, but there is just not enough space because of the e-brake. And are you modifying your door panels for the 3 way component set?

 

Oh, and to your question about rears. It all depends on what you like. You have 3 options here. Fronts only, fronts + rears, front + rears crossed over to play the lower frequency range. In my Prelude I have the 3rd option and it sounds very good. If I turn off the rears, it sounds very different, but I have a feeling that something is missing. In Dakota, however, I'm only going with fronts.

 

i am getting custom made kick panel enclosures for the dakota, might even make them myself.. i have a set of q logic kick panels in my manual integra now with mb quart 5.25's components and 6.5's in the doors. and yes, i am modifying the door panels to fit the 3-ways. i am going to have woofer in stock mounting location and mid driver and tweeter 3.5 inches apart near the door handle. then somehow seperate the woofer and mid driver so they dont mix together. im hoping this will be a good setup, i think its going to be mighty fine, and with the jl amps and crossovers, and bass **** there is going to be alot alot of tuning capability.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LSRracing95 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i am getting custom made kick panel enclosures for the dakota, might even make them myself.. i have a set of q logic kick panels in my manual integra now with mb quart 5.25's components and 6.5's in the doors. and yes, i am modifying the door panels to fit the 3-ways. i am going to have woofer in stock mounting location and mid driver and tweeter 3.5 inches apart near the door handle. then somehow seperate the woofer and mid driver so they dont mix together. im hoping this will be a good setup, i think its going to be mighty fine, and with the jl amps and crossovers, and bass **** there is going to be alot alot of tuning capability.</TD></TR></TABLE>

why 2 sets of components in the front though? why not just one really good set?

 

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why 2 sets of components in the front though? why not just one really good set?</TD></TR></TABLE>

very good question.. i have yet to find a "really good set" of components for the money i am willing to spend.. along with the fact that ive been running two sets of components up front in my first setup and like it.. im planning on seeing how just the 3-ways alone do bridged on the jl 300/4.. then trying both sets on the amp.. but the kick set with just the driver and crossover set to a lower freq filter, and then both sets in full.

i am going to have alot of ways of tuning the stereo so it will take time to figure out what i am going to truely like best.

 

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very good question.. i have yet to find a "really good set" of components for the money i am willing to spend.. along with the fact that ive been running two sets of components up front in my first setup and like it.. im planning on seeing how just the 3-ways alone do bridged on the jl 300/4.. then trying both sets on the amp.. but the kick set with just the driver and crossover set to a lower freq filter, and then both sets in full.

i am going to have alot of ways of tuning the stereo so it will take time to figure out what i am going to truely like best.</TD></TR></TABLE>

how much are you willing to spend? in my experience, a single $500 component set will sound better than a pair of $250 component sets.

 

Have to agree. More speakers that overlap the same frequency equals degraded sound quality. I don't see how MORE speakers is cheaper.

One pair of tweets, one pair of mids, an amp and crossovers, one sub, a sub amp, a quality deck, good RCAs, decent speaker, power, and ground wire, some kick panels, a little bit of sound deadening, a good installation, and some good CDs or a sattellite enabled radio = SQ.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by suspendedHatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Have to agree. More speakers that overlap the same frequency equals degraded sound quality. I don't see how MORE speakers is cheaper.

One pair of tweets, one pair of mids, an amp and crossovers, one sub, a sub amp, a quality deck, good RCAs, decent speaker, power, and ground wire, some kick panels, a little bit of sound deadening, a good installation, and some good CDs or a sattellite enabled radio = SQ.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i agree 100% and i didnt say 2 pair of speakers is better or cheaper. im going by experience so far.. if i can find a reputable set of 3-ways to get good power out of i will do that.. trust me. less work, less wiring, less everything but overall more SQ

we will see what happens

 

well how much are you planning on spending?

 

well i get things ten up on cost at a audio dealer i know. so like 1,000 retail

 

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Dynaudio system 360. i think you can find them somewhere on teh net for about a grand. you will definately not be disappointed.

 

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Dynaudio system 360. i think you can find them somewhere on teh net for about a grand. you will definately not be disappointed.</TD></TR></TABLE>

im saying a grand so that at where i get my stuff.. it will be cost plus 10%. so ill have to see if they can get a hold of them.

what are specs on this set?? thanksss

 

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im saying a grand so that at where i get my stuff.. it will be cost plus 10%. so ill have to see if they can get a hold of them.

what are specs on this set?? thanksss</TD></TR></TABLE>

dont shop by specs.. shop by sound. but.... dynaudio

 

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dont shop by specs.. shop by sound. but.... dynaudio</TD></TR></TABLE>

im not the shop by specs type.. i would like to know how this set operates to know what kind of amp to match it up with, etc. but whatever gives me the best sound is what i ultimately choose.

this set of 3-ways seems real nice.. ill mention them to where i get my stuff and see what they say. thanks

 

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im not the shop by specs type.. i would like to know how this set operates to know what kind of amp to match it up with, etc. but whatever gives me the best sound is what i ultimately choose.</TD></TR></TABLE>

match it up with the best amp you can afford they love power. are you looking at the system 360 or system 340?

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what about just ordering them online? i mean if they're in your budget they're more than worth it whether or not you get them for cost or not. I know they're rather difficult find as they're not really that big in car audio. most of their market is in high end home audio (&gt;$10,000 for a pair of speakers). if you have a good relationship with anyone who works at a store which is an authorized dealer for their home audio stuff you can usually get your hands on the car audio line through them.

 

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match it up with the best amp you can afford they love power. are you looking at the system 360 or system 340?

what about just ordering them online? i mean if they're in your budget they're more than worth it whether or not you get them for cost or not. I know they're rather difficult find as they're not really that big in car audio. most of their market is in high end home audio (&gt;$10,000 for a pair of speakers). if you have a good relationship with anyone who works at a store which is an authorized dealer for their home audio stuff you can usually get your hands on the car audio line through them. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i was looking at the system 340 with the 360 crossover i believe??

and im thinking, my dealer may be an authorized dealer for dynaudio because my dealer is actually mainly home audio entertainment systems.. so thanks again ill definitely have to look into that more.

 

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i was looking at the system 340 with the 360 crossover i believe??

and im thinking, my dealer may be an authorized dealer for dynaudio because my dealer is actually mainly home audio entertainment systems.. so thanks again ill definitely have to look into that more.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hope you enjoy. dyn's are one of the very few conventional speakers i would consider buying.

 

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hope you enjoy. dyn's are one of the very few conventional speakers i would consider buying. </TD></TR></TABLE>

awesome, thanks again.. are there any other opinions you could send my way??
as far as purchasing.. etc??

 

bumppp ttt anyoneeee differeent ideas, suggestions, comments??