Hey guys,
I was wondering if there would be any harm in putting an engine cooler in my type R engine. Although i am not running a turbo set up and not planning on it, I like the idea of keeping my engine extra-cool but i am concern if there is a negative inpact in doing so.... oil pressure dropping, oil starvation, Etc. ???? Anyone please.


Modified by denisfern at 1:40 PM 1/18/2006

 

Although I'm not much help... There is nothing wrong with running a cooler on your R. There are several people doing it on their boosted and/or race cars. I'm currently looking into options and different setups. I would sift through the RR/RA forum or PM. Dr. Pooface as I think he has some exerience with them.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by denisfern &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oil pressure dropping, oil starvation, Etc. ???? Anyone please.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Extra oil will be needed to compensate for the tubes and the cooler itsself. A baffled pan will help prevent oil starvation during track events. I think there is a lot of inf on oil coolers in the archives.

 

I have one. You have to keep a little bit of a closer eye on the oil level and do of course have to use more oil in your system. Usually, depending on the size and layout of your cooler, it'll add about 1 qt to your oil capacity. As long as you have enough oil and no leaks then you shouldn't really have any worry of pressure dropping or starvation.

I'd get an oil pressure guage anyway though just so you can more carefully keep an eye on it all.

 

Is the pressure guage easy to add while installing the oil cooler?

 

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Oil pressure gauges use the signal off of the OEM Oil pressure sensor, located above the oil filter on the back side of the block. You simply T the OEM and aftermarket sensor.

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I was wondering if there would be any harm in putting an engine cooler in my type R engine</TD></TR></TABLE>

It will not do any harm, unless of course the installation is incorrect, a line is reversed, or you drive the engine hard before oil temperatures are optimal.

I would suggest heavily on getting the Mocal spin-on adapter for the block. They have a unit that incoporates a 90/10 thermostat so during warmup 90% of the oil is blocked from entering the cooler (you need the other 10% flow into the cooler to maintain pressure). Once the oil is at temp, the thermostat opens to full and you get flow to the cooler.

I would say it is mandatory to have an oil pressure and oil temperature gauge with an aftermarket oil cooler.

FWIW the factory oil cooler works, unless you are having problems with your temperaturs on the track, it might not be worth the investment, considering a good oil cooler setup will cost roughly $400-500

 

I have a Mocal oil cooler on my car. There really aren't any negatives to adding it, other than cost. I am not currently running any oil temp/pressure gauges, but plan to add them at some point in the near future. It does require adding about 1 qt to the oil system.

IMO it's really overkill on a daily driven car; unless having issues with high oil temps driving on track or something, it's probably not worth the investment.

 

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I would say it is mandatory to have an oil pressure and oil temperature gauge with an aftermarket oil cooler.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I heavily agree on both accounts. While the price can easily skyrocket (as with anything) you can get everything need for a good oil cooler that will more than adequately do the job (minus guages) for about $250-$300. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about mine.

 

I think it's overkill. A baffled pan will do more to prevent oil starvation if that's what you're afraid of. If you're having overheat issues with street driving, an oil cooler isn't going to fix it. More often than not it's just something more to go wrong. Fittings are the weak point. Don't cheap out on a system with low quality fittings. You will regret it. I run an oil cooler, but I run 84 mm pistons in a track only car.

 

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315+ degrees on track = oil cooler surely not overkill. For a street car, I don't see the point.

 

I've got 1 in my shop that belongs to a friend who is wants to sell it. It's a Jackson Racing oil cooler kit. It comes w/ the cooler, lines &, an oil filte relocator piece. I'll have to ask him how much he wants for it. Hit me up if your interested.

 

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..except you just gave a stray pebble another few different avenues to leave you stranded with a blown motor, and about another 5-7 surfaces to leak oil from (two hoses, sandwich plate, maybe gauge ports). If you're really unlucky, one of the lines gets cut, sprays on your header or cat, and your car burns to the ground. Don't expletive with oil.



I wouldn't do it on a street car. I haven't had any problems with my oil cooler. GReddy oil cooler sandwich plate comes with ports for oil temp and pressure.


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There are negatives to oil that is too cool. Water condensation can build up and never boil off if it doesn't get real hot. Not an issue with frequent oil changes, I suppose.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris F &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">..except you just gave a stray pebble another few different avenues to leave you stranded with a blown motor, and about another 5-7 surfaces to leak oil from (two hoses, sandwich plate, maybe gauge ports). If you're really unlucky, one of the lines gets cut, sprays on your header or cat, and your car burns to the ground. Don't expletive with oil.</TD></TR></TABLE>

didn't anyone ever tell you to not expletive with turbos?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Erik95LS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">didn't anyone ever tell you to not expletive with turbos? </TD></TR></TABLE>

expletive.

 

expletive yeah!

 

dont do it,spend somewhere else your money.

 

Get an oil temp gauge and measure your oil temperature before buying a cooler, you should know whether you need one, or not. For road racing I'd say great idea, other than that base your decision on your oil temperatures.

 

^^ +1

 

Purchasing a block adaptor for the oil cooler setup. Does anyone know the diameter (mm) of the threads on the back of the block where the spin on filter usually goes? Thanks!

 

I seem to remember it being 21mm, but I could very well be wrong. Just call or email them and they'll tell you right away.

 

20mm

 

You sure? 20mm?

 

thanks guys , this is good info... i am planning to put the oilcooler for my street car, but i am starting to think that maybe just a mugen fan switch , thermostat and radiator cap will do the job.. what do you think ?

 

Oil Cooler is a good way to reduce heat and you can also mess with the water/coolant ratio in your radiator... instead of the 50/50 mixture do something like 70/30 (water/coolant) or more water ratio...

 

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Do you currently have an issue with overheating? If not I'd just forego it all.

Maybe get some guages anyway to keep your mind at ease.