i want an agressive high reving motor that is reliable and legal. i live in ca. need to pass. i was looking at gettting a gsr but i found that it is a litle pricey from hmotorsonline. i was wondering, i could save more than 1k if i buy a b16 instead of a gsr. if i put some higher compression pistons and more aggresive cams, do you think the b16 would be the same or better than the b18. in other words, with the money you save from the b16, could you invest in it and make it the same if not better than a b18.

the only thing i have yet to do is go to the junkyard. does the junkyard understand the value of a b18 and b16's or do they sell them for cheap?

 

Generally, the answer here is no. First of all, keep in mind that $1000 is NOT going to get you both more aggressive cams and higher compression pistons, let alone with the valvetrain upgrades, machine work, and gaskets required to make these mods work. In fact, with what you could do for $1000, you MIGHT get HP parity with a JDM GSR. And that's if you start out with the more powerful 2G motor. Of course, this brings me to my second point: torque. Simply put, there is NOTHING you can do to a B16A short of forced induction or radical resleeving and stroking that is going to give a B16A the torque of a GSR. And now you're talking real money. So the way I see it, the extra $1000 for the GSR is actually a bargain. If you can afford it, definitely go for the GSR.

As for junkyards not understanding the value of these motors, don't count on it. These people make a living off of knowing the value of these motors and getting every penny they can for them. They won't just give them away for next to nothing. Unless lightning strikes and you find one at the local Pick-And-Pull.

 

You could also save more money if you buy an LS that makes more power than a B16. Not quite as much as the GSR, but then again you could do an lsvtec; do a mild build and pull pretty good number.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM SLEEP3R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You could also save more money if you buy an LS that makes more power than a B16. Not quite as much as the GSR, but then again you could do an lsvtec; do a mild build and pull pretty good number.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Prob with ls swap is the **** tranny.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM SLEEP3R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You could also save more money if you buy an LS that makes more power than a B16. Not quite as much as the GSR, but then again you could do an lsvtec; do a mild build and pull pretty good number.</TD></TR></TABLE>As far as I know LS/VTEC engines aren't legal in CA.

 

Torque will come with a B18.

 

i would go with the 1.8l. online shops are usually expensive, you could throw most LSvtec together for probably the same price as a b16 complete swap from Hmotorsonline

i would go with the 1.8l, you will get more power and more torque

 

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The problem is that without a VTEC head, an LS won't make more power than a B16A. It will make less. And trying to match VTEC output without either VTEC or much increased displacement almost always results in compromises such as reduced drivability, increased fuel consumption, and increased emissions.

 

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But will the B16A make more torque than the B18A/B ?

 

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But will the B16A make more torque than the B18A/B ? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah but the gearing of the b16's make up for it.

And of course u can throw a shorter tranny on the ls but ur shifting early.

 

Regardless, the bottom line here is simple. If the price difference between a B16A and GSR is only $1000, then go for the GSR. $1000 is most definitely worth it for 8-18 extra HP and 17 extra ft-lb torque. And $1000 in mods to a B16A won't make up for this.