is it safe to take the R to a HPDE without a baffled oil pan?

 

Yes, just don't use R comps. Make sure your oil level is up.

 

If you start to drop out of vtec on left corners pit immediately and check your oil level.

 

cool thanks for the tips

 

Yes it ok. With R-comps it depends on how fast you are and how how much turning there is.
Example- LRP hard turns caused starvation
CMP med turns no starvation

But I would reccommend getting it asap.

 

doesn't hurt to add a little extra oil as well before you go out. I've never had a single oiling problem over lots of track days (many with R compounds) with a stock pan. Just make sure you keep a careful eye on it between sessions and fill when needed. If you notice a loss of oil preasure such as dropping out of vtec in high load corner, just come in and assess the situation.

 

As mentioned, you should be alright as long as you keep the oil level in check.

But on that note, get ahold of Bradstard, I think he has a few sets of weld in baffles available.

 

Regardless of what everyone says, you have to make the decision yourself.

You can have problems if you don't check your oil level. If you cut out of vtec even for a split second, you are low on oil. Maybe just a little bit, but I'd get in and remedy the situation. And don't overfill much at all, only a little bit.

And if you are pulling higher cornering g's than a stock R (suspension and/or R comps) - this will increase the issue greatly.

 

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Bah; I ran at Pahrump on A032Rs with no baffled oil pan and never got in a situation where I noticed oil starvation (i.e. dropping out of VTEC, etc, etc).

I think you are fine regardless; just make sure you top off your oil before hand and check it in betwen runs.

 

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Bah; I ran at Pahrump on A032Rs with no baffled oil pan and never got in a situation where I noticed oil starvation (i.e. dropping out of VTEC, etc, etc).

I think you are fine regardless; just make sure you top off your oil before hand and check it in betwen runs.</TD></TR></TABLE>

How are the corners on that track? Your suspension setup? Sounds like he doesn't have much track experience so I don't think he really needs to worry about it but most I know who run R comps will also have a baffled pan.

 

Fine???

BAhhh!

On street tires on a long sweeper I can get the motor to starve while the oil is properly filled.
People have witnessed this as a passenger.

It's all about the G-Load, Street tires- Rcomps no matter... G load.

 

rob &lt;3's a lot of load

 

Watch it buddy!
I'll sit on you

 

Rob is right.

IMO it's not worth risking the short block. Just weld in the baffles and you shouldn't have to worry.

Also install a catch can to facilitate checking the amount of oil you're losing. If you're driving hard the amount will suprise you - negatively.

 

I wouldn't risk going to the track w/o a baffled pan. Hell, even with one I was still cutting out of VTEC, but that could be because of other issues

You don't want this -&gt; https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1442398

 

If your first HPDE, then I would not worry. Just check your oil often!!

I did spin a bearing because of oil starvation, moslty because I was too lazy to check my oil and I was beating the living crap out of my kaa.. No droping out of vtec for me, it felt like I was hitting a wall when I was getting starvation.. It was kinda cool..

 

I did a whole bunch of DEs at 3 different tracks and it was fine IMO w/o it. Now I track quite a bit more and am about to make the move to R comps next season, but I already put a Mugen pan on for peace of mind.

 

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I've done 13 weekends on my R with no baffled pan, no problems. All on R compounds. The majority of HPDE'ers (especially novice) don't have them.

Just check the oil (good advice if you have a baffled pan or not).

-Chris

 

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the last event i was at, i had overfiled my oil accidentally. i didn't think it would be a big deal. but when i got out on track, my car was sputtering a lot of smoke. i first thought "OH NO" - must have blown my rings or something. we looked at my oil level and i was about a 1/4 quart over.

don't overfill!

kepani

 

for a rookie on a track with his new ITR would the best solution be to but a set of baffels from heeltoe and get them welded in the oem pan or get the morso oilpan?

 

There was a thread about the Moroso pan not too long ago that was not good. From what I hear the Mugen pan is awesome

I have no experience and don't know of anyone personally that uses the DIY welded baffles so I can't speak on those.

 

Here has been my experience. I ate away #2 bearings (pretty bad, but still driveable) on the factory shortblock because of oil starvation on track.

On street tires, 215/45/16 RE-010 Potenzas on a high speed (60mph entry, 90mph exit) banked lefty I lost oil pressure pretty bad, which probably caused the bearing problem I mentioned above. I always overfill 1/2qt before each track day, and I always add the same amount of oil from what is caught in my catch can.

On R-comps, I lost oil pressure REALLY bad, on the same corner, and lower speed (25mph entry, 45mph exit) left hand corners as well. The problem is really bad on left hand corners with hard acceleration.

After I baffled the stock OEM pan with Fastlane Performance weld-in baffles, the problem ceased. Link: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=937290

Basically, if you drive the car hard, and the track has medium to high speed lefties that allow good acceleration through apex and exit, you might will want to consider baffles to be on the safe side.

 

Thanks for chiming in, Marshall.

FWIW Marshall is one of the best drivers I know and pushes his car harder than most. He exits turn 2 faster than I do as well, it seems.

Turn 2 is the reason I spun a rod bearing on my AE86 -- PCV screwed me.

 

make sure you put the cap back on after checking oil levels at the track...

Or else you may never find it...

 

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that's how i lost my jdm chrome oil cap... f* what a mess too... huhu.

baffled oil pan is on my to do list for sure... i think it's a worthwhile upgrade, as 'preventative maintenance' in the least.