hey guys I was looking at these and noticed they have eye bolts on the shoulder straps how would you hook these up i've never seen this before?

http://www.schrothracing.com/p.../1592

 

 

so digging up an oldie. my sparco harness is 2 strap and has the same mounting jobbers as the ones above, is there any way i can remove the brackets so i can loop the harness around my bar? or would it be better to get little flanges welded in so i can mount it like in the picture above?

 

ekim,
just order them without the bolt-in. pretty sure they are availble that way. also, you better check the NASA CCR & the SCCA GCR. IIRC the 2" lap isn't legal. i have the HANS belts with the 3" lap by Schroth & they work great. i know that style is legal for sure IF you are wearing a HANS. they are not legal if you are not wearing a HANS.

jeff,
did you try to see if the shoulders would be long enough if you cut the bolt-in tabs off?

 

You should be able to take the brackets off without a problem and just loop the harness around the bar. My simpson harnesses were the same way, I just pulled the strap out of the tensioner thing (don't know what its called) and out of the bracket and reassembled them around the harness bar.

 

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Are you sure Mike?

Here is a cut from the Schroth web page:

The Sanctioning bodies in the US have been slow to respond to this knowledge, but the tides have begun to change, and as of 2005 the Sports Car Club of America (SCCA) has approved the 2” lap belt for all club and pro events. SCCA joins NASA, the BMWCCA, [etc etc] among the sanctioning bodies that allow and in some cases advocate the safer 2” webbing. Safety is an ever-changing aspect of Motorsport, and those that govern it are paying attention to the information provided by Schroth, HMS Motorsport and the FIA.

http://www.schrothracing.com/

I'll have to check the GCR to affirm their claim. I am planning on going to these belts.

Rick

 

From the SCCA 2006 GCR under section 20.8.C

FIA restraint systems with the certification ‘D ####.T/98’ are equal to FIA specifications 8853/98 and 8854/98, and are therefore, acceptable restraint systems. FIA two-inch seat belts with the certification 8853/98 are acceptable restraint systems when used in conjunction with their corresponding FIA
shoulder harness and anti-submarine straps.

I am unable to see if any of the belts from the Schroth website have the 8853/98 certification but I would assume that a call to Schroth would confirm they do meet this requirement.

This double shoulder belt for HANS users looks interesting and would also pass the muster for a non Hans wearing occupant. http://www.schrothracing.com/tech/6

Rick

 

Why is a 2" lap belt safer than a 3" lap belt?

 

Read the link. It has to do with the shape of our pelvis/hib bones. The 3" belt rides up on the ridges, high and low of our hip bones essentially creating hot spots whereas the 2" belt spreads the load more evenly in the cradle area of the pelvis.

Now, don't let your co workers catch you fondling yourself checking your hip structure.

Rick

 

The SCCA pro racing rulebook explained that 2" lap belt allow the belts to be positioned better and distribute the load better. Look it up on their pro racing website.

And it is legal for SCCA pro racing. I've been using them all this year.

 

Rick,
No, I am not sure. It might have changed with the '06 rules but IIRC, you still had to use a 3" lap for NASA. I got my belts in the beginning of '05 so I think that is why I went that way.

If a 2" belt is legal, then it would be a lot easier to work with. I don't plan on chaning my soon in any event. FIA legal belts cost a few $$$.

Best to check. Even if it wasn't legal to run in NASA, Andrie could do it by claiming his car was built & log booked for SCCA Pro. I don't think that will be the case for E's car. Better safe than sorry.

Mike

 

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Allowable per NASA CCR's as well but only with a 6 or 7 point harness.

Section 15.5

1. All vehicles must have a five (5), six (6), or seven (7) point seat belt system. Arm
restraints are required in open cars and cars with: Open T-tops, Open Targa
tops, missing moon/sun roofs, or glass moon/sun roofs.
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2. A five (5) point system consists of a three (3) inch lap belt, two (2) or three (3)
inch shoulder belts, and a two (2) inch anti-submarine strap.
3. A six (6) point system is recommended for cars where the driver is seated in an
upright (to 30 degrees) or a semi-reclining position. It consists of two (2) antisubmarine
belts in addition to lap and shoulder belts. Note: Current FIA
Approved belt sets with 2” lap belts are acceptable with the six (6) point system.
4. A seven (7) point system is recommended for seats with more than thirty (30)
degrees of incline. Note: Current FIA Approved belt sets with 2” lap belts are
acceptable with the seven (7) point system.

Rick

 

According to the latest NASA CCR, 2" lap belts are legal only for FIA approved belts.

 

im sure ill have plently of room to cut them if i wanted. i was also thinking of installing the harness bar so i can just slide the bar through the loops. this is an autoX setup so its just a 4 point to secure me while out on course.