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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 08:33 AM
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Default SS brake line install = spongy pedal

We just installed a set of RG SS brake lines on Hoya's ITR. We installed all 4 lines and then bled the brakes in RR, LF, LR, RF order. When driving the car the brakes are very spongy like there is air in the lines. We decided to bleed the brakes again but it has the same pedal feel. Has anyone else experienced this before? We're stumped at what it might be.
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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 08:47 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bradstard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Has anyone else experienced this before? We're stumped at what it might be.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes. You'll need to bleed till it's firm again. I think I had to bleed 4 or 5 times till it was back to about normal, and even then I still bleed before every track event.
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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 08:49 AM
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When I installed SS lines, it took 4 bleeds to get the pedal to where i liked. Stupid me installed them right before expo so I wound up doing bleeds twice at MAM
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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 09:26 AM
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Bleed RR LR RF LF. Order from furthest to closest to MC.

You can also try gravity bleeding. Just open the bleeder and let is drip out... But pumping might be more efective.
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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 09:35 AM
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keep going do more cycles of bleeding till hard pedal
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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 09:39 AM
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If you changed out your lines I am almost positive there is air in your master cylinder. You need to bleed the master cylinder and/or bench bleed on car.
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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 10:14 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by migs &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you changed out your lines I am almost positive there is air in your master cylinder. You need to bleed the master cylinder and/or bench bleed on car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not if you do it right and plug the fittings while replacing the lines...very little fluid lost/spilled that way.

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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 10:18 AM
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El Pollo Diablo, most people do not know how to do it the "right way" So this is why I am certain in this case that there is air in the MC.
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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 10:27 AM
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bleed them again until the pedal gets stiff, I got lucky on my last set of lines and only bled them once
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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 11:36 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by skelly ed666 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Bleed RR LR RF LF. Order from furthest to closest to MC.

You can also try gravity bleeding. Just open the bleeder and let is drip out... But pumping might be more efective.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not according to the Helms.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by El Pollo Diablo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Not if you do it right and plug the fittings while replacing the lines...very little fluid lost/spilled that way.</TD></TR></TABLE>

During the install, we did plug the lines after removing stock lines. However, I suspect somehow air in the MC. Plan is to try bleeding again to work the air out.

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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 11:52 AM
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Just bled mine recently with SS lines and ATE super blue and we only had to bleed once. Never let the MC get low and you shouldn't have to worry about air.
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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 06:25 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1GreyTeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Yes. You'll need to bleed till it's firm again. I think I had to bleed 4 or 5 times till it was back to about normal, and even then I still bleed before every track event.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I had the same experience when I installed mine. Hope you have a vacuum bleeder.
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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 07:31 PM
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I bled with the car turned on and made the ABS burp first.... had to put it into 1st gear and do like 10kph or something....all on jackstands ofcourse....

It seemed to do the trick
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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 08:10 PM
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