I thought these lines sucked but then I figured out that I had to bleed the brakes.

After doing that today I noticed how different they feel. They are awsome! There still seems to be some "mushyness" in the pedal, but I plan to bleed them again on Sunday.
The pedal vibration during ABS is gone. When I slam on the brakes the tires screech a little then the car stops.

I think with future bleeding they will feel even better.

I ended up using 12oz's of Honda "Heavy Duty" DOT 3 oil, and with the help of my little brother, I did it in about one hour. I bled them with the car on in this order Right Rear, Left Rear, Front Right, Front Left. I did them in this order because several people told me in order to take the <u>air out</u> I need to start with the brake that was furthest from the master cylinder.

I'll see how they imporve over time with more bleeding, but now I know how to bleed brakes.

 

yeah, see ive heard that bleeding order, but then I read in the haynes manual a different order. Im confused

 

Glad their working out!

 

why does it seem like the list of things i need/want to do to my car keeps growin n growing???

 

and it will continue to grow until your flat broke and on the streets

 

Is the bleeding order really that important ?? I don't think so....IMO

 

According to helms our cars should be bled

rear right, front left, rear left, front right

Yes it does matter, you wanna start furthest away from the Master cylinder, and since the RR and FL are connected, and the RL and FR are connected

 

if you get a master cylinder brace, it will take out all of the mushiness.

 

seriously... i'm halfway there.. i have an apt but no more money haha....

As for the mc brace, i've heard alot of good things bout it.. i heard it improves pedal feel by alot and is a fairly straight forward diy mod. I'm sure it will go really well with the ss lines if you do at that mod.

 

How often do they recommend you change the SS Goodridge lines? I was thinking about getting some, but then someone said you need to change them every year...

 

doesn't matter what order you go in. i just follow the helms and do the PR, DF, DR, and then PF. Also the MC brace helps A LOT. I would suggest that to help firm up the pedal. I got my MC brace from LHT.

 

Glad to hear that you were able to work out some of the air bubbles. I would drive the car around for another week or so, then try to bleed them some more... Driving helps work the bubbles out towards the calipers. The pedal should be noticeably firmer than stock w/ the lines - I love mine!
Here's a link to my thread about my DIY master cylinder brace, if your'e interested:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=334566

The brace, combined with the stainless lines is an awesome, and a relatively inexpensive upgrade.



[Modified by Philly_NBP_R, 12:15 PM 3/8/2003]

 

I'll looking into the master cylinder brace. Is it supost to prevent it from moving during braking? What is the theory behind this?

 

The problem: MC is mounted to thin firewall sheetmetal causing the sheetmetal to flex upon applyin pressure to the brakes and consequently creating mushy pedal feel.

The solution: Use a metal brace mounted to the side of the strut wall of the engine bay and use it to keep the mc brace in place.

Several companies have this product in their line for numerous cars and as usual charge more than they should... it is a fairly straight forward mod that can be completed wit a trip to ur local homedepot.

As for the SS lines and their service life.... i have no idea.. and seriously would like to kno too! haha...

 

who told you this?

 

I'd like to know the answer to this one too... You don't have to change stock ones every year. The SS lines are supposed to be better, so I don't see why you would have to..

 

Instead of using the Honda Brake fluid you should try the ATE Blue, you will have a better feel in the pedal then what you have now.

Also I have heard that the SS lines are a ware Item, where did I hear that from ... I don't remember.

 

Because dort and dust will get in between the SS outer casing and the Teflon inner hose and eventually with the vibrations will wear through the teflon. Just keep them clean and check them regularly.