Phantom Grip LSD???
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Phantom Grip LSD???
ok, i was looking through Jegs, and came across a Phantom Grip LSD conversion, for $269. it claims to turn your non LSD diff, into a disc type LSD. it just installs into your stock diff, so there is no need to buy a completely new one.. has anybody heard of this before?? im going supercharged, so imma need an LSD, and if nobody has anything bad to say about this, i might go with it....
BTW... heres a link to it.. http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs...22415
BTW... heres a link to it.. http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs...22415
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Re: Phantom Grip LSD??? (AEMPrelude916)
The phantom grip is not a LSD it is a metal block that clamps your stock differential and puts power to both wheels...although it is an inexpensive way of getting power to both wheels it is not very durable.
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i have heard that it does help with cornering a little, but not as much as a quaife or something like that. i don't really race that much to spend $1k on a lsd, and i've been debating buying this. i've also heard that it is not a "true" lsd, whatever that means...
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I guess its like a detroit locker on domestics, which means that both wheels are connected together at all times. You might hear a clacking noise when cornering. I cant verify any of this info though, just stuff I read.
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I think you should just save some money and get a Quaife LSD. As everyone else said, that thing doesn't look too durable, so you might have to spend extra cash to replace it in worst case scenarios. Why not go with a proven part like the Quaife LSD?
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Re: (mkazm83)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mkazm83 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I guess its like a detroit locker on domestics, which means that both wheels are connected together at all times. You might hear a clacking noise when cornering. I cant verify any of this info though, just stuff I read.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Detroit lockers are full locking differentials where as this phantom grip is a limited slip as in it only transfers power when power is needed to spin both wheels.
Detroit lockers are full locking differentials where as this phantom grip is a limited slip as in it only transfers power when power is needed to spin both wheels.
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Re: (lude_behavior)
if you are supercharging, you are already spending a good chunk of change (if you are doing it the right way), a quaife isn't that much
getting an lsd is something i would consider way before i would ever turbo a car or supercharge it
but then again i have different goals then others
getting an lsd is something i would consider way before i would ever turbo a car or supercharge it
but then again i have different goals then others
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yea,i am planning to superchatge, but in december.. so i was looking to get an LSD before i supercharge... no use having all that power and not going anywhere...
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you will probably never break the phantom grip lsd. but u might break some spider gears. if u dont want to spend the 900 or so on a quaife, look into the copy cat obx lsd. their all over ebay.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by flip1199 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you will probably never break the phantom grip lsd. but u might break some spider gears. if u dont want to spend the 900 or so on a quaife, look into the copy cat obx lsd. their all over ebay.</TD></TR></TABLE>
but ive heard that obx is ****...
but ive heard that obx is ****...
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the pahntom grip is a pile of crap. it's not worth the metal used to make it. in fact, i'd rather drive open diff than with one of those grenades in my tranny.
the obx is also ****, and i wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
both of these LSD's are copies of real designs, and sometimes copies are good (rota
)--but sometimes the copiers are so crappy at fabricating stuff that their end product is not only unoriginal, but ineffective.
the bottom line is, if you want an LSD in your tranny, you have to go quaife, kaaz, or M2B4 or go home.
the obx is also ****, and i wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
both of these LSD's are copies of real designs, and sometimes copies are good (rota
)--but sometimes the copiers are so crappy at fabricating stuff that their end product is not only unoriginal, but ineffective.the bottom line is, if you want an LSD in your tranny, you have to go quaife, kaaz, or M2B4 or go home.
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It does NOT make both your wheels turn at the same time.
I had a phantom grip, and it worked fine for what I needed. I never had a moments trouble out of it, and I raced hard. Corners, drag strip, street racing, etc... you name it, I abused it.
It makes your stock open diff act as a limited slip through a series of clutches. I could probably explain it, but it simply works better with pictures, diagrams, and if I have a cracked open differential sitting in front of me.
I've seen people hate the Phantom grip, I've seen people love it. I've seen people break Quaifes, phantom grips, and stock diffs. I also have a good friend who just exploded a diff with a phantom grip in it, but it lasted him about two years of constant abuse. I mean, who sprays a 125 shot on a NEON?
Anyway, I say find people who have owned one and talk to them. It's hard take an opinion seriously from some of these guys since they don't even know what it is.
I had a phantom grip, and it worked fine for what I needed. I never had a moments trouble out of it, and I raced hard. Corners, drag strip, street racing, etc... you name it, I abused it.
It makes your stock open diff act as a limited slip through a series of clutches. I could probably explain it, but it simply works better with pictures, diagrams, and if I have a cracked open differential sitting in front of me.
I've seen people hate the Phantom grip, I've seen people love it. I've seen people break Quaifes, phantom grips, and stock diffs. I also have a good friend who just exploded a diff with a phantom grip in it, but it lasted him about two years of constant abuse. I mean, who sprays a 125 shot on a NEON?
Anyway, I say find people who have owned one and talk to them. It's hard take an opinion seriously from some of these guys since they don't even know what it is.
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Re: (bad-monkey)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bad-monkey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
the obx is also ****, and i wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
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show me one person who broke a obx lsd. i've seen the obx lsd into the 10's without any problems. the only problem i've seen with the obx lsd is some people have a problem gettin the axels out of it.
the obx is also ****, and i wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
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show me one person who broke a obx lsd. i've seen the obx lsd into the 10's without any problems. the only problem i've seen with the obx lsd is some people have a problem gettin the axels out of it.
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Re: (flip1199)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by flip1199 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the only problem i've seen with the obx lsd is some people have a problem gettin the axels out of it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
which is, to me, a serious problem.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jg luder »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It does NOT make both your wheels turn at the same time.
I had a phantom grip, and it worked fine for what I needed. I never had a moments trouble out of it, and I raced hard. Corners, drag strip, street racing, etc... you name it, I abused it.
It makes your stock open diff act as a limited slip through a series of clutches. I could probably explain it, but it simply works better with pictures, diagrams, and if I have a cracked open differential sitting in front of me.
I've seen people hate the Phantom grip, I've seen people love it. I've seen people break Quaifes, phantom grips, and stock diffs. I also have a good friend who just exploded a diff with a phantom grip in it, but it lasted him about two years of constant abuse. I mean, who sprays a 125 shot on a NEON?
Anyway, I say find people who have owned one and talk to them. It's hard take an opinion seriously from some of these guys since they don't even know what it is. </TD></TR></TABLE>
see, the thing is, i do know what it is. it's a spring and 2 blocks that bind the spider gears. it's a copy of the OPM diff which employs the same concept, but is infinitely better built (btw, ask corey about his experience with the opm diff). i wouldn't call that a "series of clutches."
there's a reason why it's called the random grip or phantom slip or any other number of derisive nicknames. and if you're going to be rebuilding your diff every year, wouldn't you rather have something that actually worked? like a kaaz (which is a true clutch-type)
also, how did phantom grip respond to your friend blowing up his diff? b/c quaife's lifetime warranty would most probably cover the damage and replace the unit.
which is, to me, a serious problem.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jg luder »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It does NOT make both your wheels turn at the same time.
I had a phantom grip, and it worked fine for what I needed. I never had a moments trouble out of it, and I raced hard. Corners, drag strip, street racing, etc... you name it, I abused it.
It makes your stock open diff act as a limited slip through a series of clutches. I could probably explain it, but it simply works better with pictures, diagrams, and if I have a cracked open differential sitting in front of me.
I've seen people hate the Phantom grip, I've seen people love it. I've seen people break Quaifes, phantom grips, and stock diffs. I also have a good friend who just exploded a diff with a phantom grip in it, but it lasted him about two years of constant abuse. I mean, who sprays a 125 shot on a NEON?
Anyway, I say find people who have owned one and talk to them. It's hard take an opinion seriously from some of these guys since they don't even know what it is. </TD></TR></TABLE>
see, the thing is, i do know what it is. it's a spring and 2 blocks that bind the spider gears. it's a copy of the OPM diff which employs the same concept, but is infinitely better built (btw, ask corey about his experience with the opm diff). i wouldn't call that a "series of clutches."
there's a reason why it's called the random grip or phantom slip or any other number of derisive nicknames. and if you're going to be rebuilding your diff every year, wouldn't you rather have something that actually worked? like a kaaz (which is a true clutch-type)
also, how did phantom grip respond to your friend blowing up his diff? b/c quaife's lifetime warranty would most probably cover the damage and replace the unit.
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you dont get the diff in that page, just the square thing in the middle
its basically like sticking a hamster in your diff, when it spins too fast for him to hold his little arms in, he sticks them out and jams his hands in the gears
just its a metal box instead of a hamster, and his little hands are hunks of steel.
phantom slips, or random grips as bad-monkey brought up
are....
retarded
you dont get the diff in that page, just the square thing in the middle
its basically like sticking a hamster in your diff, when it spins too fast for him to hold his little arms in, he sticks them out and jams his hands in the gears
just its a metal box instead of a hamster, and his little hands are hunks of steel.
phantom slips, or random grips as bad-monkey brought up
are....
retarded
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JG Luder »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It does NOT make both your wheels turn at the same time.
I had a phantom grip, and it worked fine for what I needed. I never had a moments trouble out of it, and I raced hard. Corners, drag strip, street racing, etc... you name it, I abused it.
It makes your stock open diff act as a limited slip through a series of clutches. I could probably explain it, but it simply works better with pictures, diagrams, and if I have a cracked open differential sitting in front of me.
I've seen people hate the Phantom grip, I've seen people love it. I've seen people break Quaifes, phantom grips, and stock diffs. I also have a good friend who just exploded a diff with a phantom grip in it, but it lasted him about two years of constant abuse. I mean, who sprays a 125 shot on a NEON?
Anyway, I say find people who have owned one and talk to them. It's hard take an opinion seriously from some of these guys since they don't even know what it is. </TD></TR></TABLE>
The PG, when it fails, takes out the spider gears in the stock diff and grenades the tranny. It is also a highly ineffective peice. There are no clutches in a PG.
Quafe has a lifetime warranty that even covers racing.
As for the OBX... quite a few of them aren't even built right from the factory, so you need to shave bolt heads, retorque bolts, and they are sized wrong to use standard diff shims. I'm all for high quality or improved copies, but people buying shitty products like the OBX LSD just encourages the marketing of more **** products.
I had a phantom grip, and it worked fine for what I needed. I never had a moments trouble out of it, and I raced hard. Corners, drag strip, street racing, etc... you name it, I abused it.
It makes your stock open diff act as a limited slip through a series of clutches. I could probably explain it, but it simply works better with pictures, diagrams, and if I have a cracked open differential sitting in front of me.
I've seen people hate the Phantom grip, I've seen people love it. I've seen people break Quaifes, phantom grips, and stock diffs. I also have a good friend who just exploded a diff with a phantom grip in it, but it lasted him about two years of constant abuse. I mean, who sprays a 125 shot on a NEON?
Anyway, I say find people who have owned one and talk to them. It's hard take an opinion seriously from some of these guys since they don't even know what it is.
</TD></TR></TABLE>The PG, when it fails, takes out the spider gears in the stock diff and grenades the tranny. It is also a highly ineffective peice. There are no clutches in a PG.
Quafe has a lifetime warranty that even covers racing.
As for the OBX... quite a few of them aren't even built right from the factory, so you need to shave bolt heads, retorque bolts, and they are sized wrong to use standard diff shims. I'm all for high quality or improved copies, but people buying shitty products like the OBX LSD just encourages the marketing of more **** products.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alphajesse »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm all for high quality or improved copies, but people buying shitty products like the OBX LSD just encourages the marketing of more **** products.</TD></TR></TABLE>
indeed..
Considered the OBX as a cheap alternative although I have 4 things from them, an air filter, camshafts,valve cover and a intake manifold. The only thing that didnt break (yet) was the valve cover.
Now would I take one of there "LSDs" and toss it in my tranny? hahaha
Anyone every replaced the final drive gear to get a 'better' gear ratio?
indeed..
Considered the OBX as a cheap alternative although I have 4 things from them, an air filter, camshafts,valve cover and a intake manifold. The only thing that didnt break (yet) was the valve cover.
Now would I take one of there "LSDs" and toss it in my tranny? hahaha
Anyone every replaced the final drive gear to get a 'better' gear ratio?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alphajesse »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The PG, when it fails, takes out the spider gears in the stock diff and grenades the tranny. It is also a highly ineffective peice. There are no clutches in a PG.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I definately agree with the "grenade the tranny" statement. The PG I was using back in 2001 failed and tore through the entire tranny...demolishing the diff, gears and casing. It did work pretty good until it blew up though (sub 1.8 60' times on 22"slicks with 350whp).
At the end of the day, I wouldn't use one or recommend one again. I'm on a Quaife now
I definately agree with the "grenade the tranny" statement. The PG I was using back in 2001 failed and tore through the entire tranny...demolishing the diff, gears and casing. It did work pretty good until it blew up though (sub 1.8 60' times on 22"slicks with 350whp).
At the end of the day, I wouldn't use one or recommend one again. I'm on a Quaife now
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Re: Phantom Grip LSD??? (AEMPrelude916)
kinda late in the thread but AZracemachine.com has OPM,PG type unit is made far better than the PG unit in quality. never seen the OPM one though to make comparison.
they have the same design but its called a twin trac lsd for like $225
http://www.azracemachine.com/p...u.htm
before anyone has anything to say. i never hear horror stories or problems from anyone about there stuff. and i personally never had problems with stuff i bought or bought for friends to use.
Modified by PaImportTuner at 9:01 AM 11/10/2005
they have the same design but its called a twin trac lsd for like $225
http://www.azracemachine.com/p...u.htm
before anyone has anything to say. i never hear horror stories or problems from anyone about there stuff. and i personally never had problems with stuff i bought or bought for friends to use.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PaImportTuner »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">kinda late in the thread but AZracemachine.com has OPM,PG type unit is made far better than the PG unit in quality. never seen the OPM one though to make comparison.
they have the same design but its called a twin trac lsd for like $225
http://www.azracemachine.com/p...u.htm
before anyone has anything to say. i never hear horror stories or problems from anyone about there stuff. and i personally never had problems with stuff i bought or bought for friends to use.
Modified by PaImportTuner at 9:01 AM 11/10/2005</TD></TR></TABLE>
That is the same design as a PG, it will have the same problems with durability that the PG has.
they have the same design but its called a twin trac lsd for like $225
http://www.azracemachine.com/p...u.htm
before anyone has anything to say. i never hear horror stories or problems from anyone about there stuff. and i personally never had problems with stuff i bought or bought for friends to use.
Modified by PaImportTuner at 9:01 AM 11/10/2005</TD></TR></TABLE>
That is the same design as a PG, it will have the same problems with durability that the PG has.
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