Ok guys. Got a 2000 Civic Si, that I just had a custom turbo kit on for a few months. I now want to go a differant route, the NA route but dont really kno to much about it. All i have on the car now, is a DC 4-1 header, AEM V2 intake, and a Greddy Evo exhaust. Im guessing the next best thing to do is upgrade the cams and valvetrain, and thats where I need some advice. Im not looking to build a beast here, but I would like to reach the mid 14's at best. It will be a daily driver with the occasional trip to the track. Plse just give me a set-up you would go with if you had what I have with my goals in mind. Thanks Guys

 

Also forgot to add, that back when I was turboed I blew my head gasket. So when I replaced it I actually had the head milled a little. Does that help or hurt me now that Im goin NA? Does it make any differance in compression?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo2NASi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also forgot to add, that back when I was turboed I blew my head gasket. So when I replaced it I actually had the head milled a little. Does that help or hurt me now that Im goin NA? Does it make any differance in compression?</TD></TR></TABLE>

your head being milled a little helps ya in the n/a arena...you really need to find out how much it was actually milled...as for what to do next...just get some ctr cams and tune it with any of the available piggybacks out there...will make for a good street car.

 

I'm no guru, but heres a few things you should think about. First off, how much was the head milled? Do you have any sort of engine management or are you keeping the stock rev-limiter? What is your budget?

 

Not sure how much the head was milled, but I know for sure it wasnt much at all. I take it the more the better huh? Also, Id like to keep the stock rev-limiter. As for now I want to stay with maybe just a VAFC, being that I already have one, but maybe down the road go with something a little better. Like I said I dont want to spend a huge amount of cash on this, but whatever it takes for me to get into the mid 14's I will do, cash really isnt a problem with me, I just dont wanna go all out on this....

 

good cams and a skunk 2 or blox intake mani. will be good for it...valvetrain is also a good thing to do while your doing cams!!!

 

can anyone go in more detail for me here, where the guru's at???

 

Compression would help, so putting some PCT pistons in would be good. If you're keeping your stock revlimiter I might opt for some S2S1 cams, valvetrain wouldn't be a must but it would help. You have a heavy car and with a 1.6 thats gonna be your biggest enemy. Maybe buy a used ls block and convert it to an ls/vtec car. If you do that, run usdm or jdm ITR pistons in the ls block, if you do that though your header may not clear...keep that in mind.

 

Not really too big on goin ls/vtec, just not lookin to go that route. Id rather work with what I have now. But what would you think about me goin with the Buddy Club 3+'s. What valvetrain would you recommend goin for with these cams? I can use these with my stock revlimiter correct?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">.....Maybe buy a used ls block and convert it to an ls/vtec car. If you do that, run usdm or jdm ITR pistons in the ls block, if you do that though your header may not clear...keep that in mind.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What do you mean it wont clear the header?

 

How much you looking to spend and how much time are you looking to have your car out of commission? Answers to those questions would geatly aid in giving you advice as there are about a million ways to get to your goals.

 

why do you wanna run that big of cam on a stock block. i would stick with stage1 cams for what you are looking for s2s1 is a good one but their are many good ones.

 

depending on ur budget i would get an itr intake manifold, guessing ur not going to touch the block i would go with either ctr/itr cams or buddy club cause i heard they were made to be compatible for stock pistons, and get a chipped p28 ecu or hondata and get that beast tuned. goodluck with the build

 

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What do you mean it wont clear the header?</TD></TR></TABLE>

he probably means that the added deck height of the b18 block over his b16 may cause issues with the fitment of the header especially near the oil pan

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lekz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What do you mean it wont clear the header?</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LG_R32 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">he probably means that the added deck height of the b18 block over his b16 may cause issues with the fitment of the header especially near the oil pan </TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly. I'm not framiliar with DC Sports, I dunno if they have two different part numbers(one for B16, one gor B18)

 

i personaly like crower cams....they are on sale right now on their web site.....go with a stage one and u can keep ur stock valvetrain. bore out your throttle body, invest in a cold air intake, and get a better header. dc sports is ok but there are a lot better brands out there. that should help push some air through that motor and get you to where u want to be......also invest in hondata....its a great tuning device!

 

Last time I checked the BC3's were equal to a stage 1 cam. Correct me if Im wrong...I guess what Im trying to get here is what cam/valvetrain set-up can I drop into my motor that would get me the most gains while pretty much keeping the compression where its at for now and not touching the rev limiter? Ive heard the BC3's are good all the way up to 8200, but past that they start to die. So wouldnt these be ideal for my app? Someone help me here, thanks!

 

BUMP

 

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Exactly. I'm not framiliar with DC Sports, I dunno if they have two different part numbers(one for B16, one gor B18)</TD></TR></TABLE>

there is a difference

 

anyone else???? please!!!!

 

just simply upgrade ur valvetrain to itr valvetrain(double springs, and get some titanium ratainers) and put some piggyback(vafc) and chipped p28 and put the ctr cams and spend some time on dyno...that should give u enough power to hit 14's...buddy club is really good but the only thing i didnt like bout them is i think if im not mistaken, i read something that they are made from Taiwan...so bottomline is its ur decision...either way u need to upgrade ur valvetrain if ur going with ctr cams or other cams more aggressive than that...i prefer skunk2 stage 1 personally because they are more reliable and proven...hope this helps...