Eibach Pro-kit, alignment needed?

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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 08:13 PM
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Default Eibach Pro-kit, alignment needed?

With the fairly subtle drop of the Pro-kit, could I get away without getting camber correction units?

If not, I know about the washer trick in the rear, but are there any methods of cheap correction in the front?
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 08:22 PM
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Default Re: Eibach Pro-kit, alignment needed? (Deo)

with a pro kit, you should be fine as far as camber kits go. Ive got the sportlines, which as you probably know, drop the car more than the pro kit; I dont have a camber kit, and its great. I would however take your car to a good alignment shop after the springs are installed, as your alignment will not be perfect.
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 09:22 PM
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Is there anything that doesn't screw up your alignment when messing with suspension?
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 09:33 PM
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Pro Kit or Sport Kit, on a CRX to get the alignment back in the middle you will need a camber kit. With a pro kit a couple washers in the rear should do it, in the front you will have to move the arms out about 10mm
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 10:57 PM
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yep, i have camber wear on my tires to prove you should get a camber kit with a eibach pro-kit.
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 11:49 PM
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you need an alignment to fix your TOE. your toe will be toed in because you lowered your ride height.

your camber does NOT need to be adjusted, so save yourself some money and forget about a camber kit.

your tires will wear on the inside because of the bad TOE, not camber. in fact, the increased negative camber will help you with grip, it will not cause excessive wear. TOE does.


once again, let me repeat for the hard of hearing and hard headed ppl:

bad TOE eats tires, not camber. you need to fix your TOE, you do that by getting a professional 4 wheel alignment done.
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 11:55 PM
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Tyson always beats me to the correct answer.



Don't worry about the camber. Get an alignment and have the toe set to spec.
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Old Sep 15, 2005 | 12:59 AM
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I have pro-kit (-30mm drop). I have driven with them for a year, and no marks of bad wear on rear tires...

Infact i raised my car , cuz the previous owner had slammed the car with lowering springs, and cutted them.
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Old Sep 15, 2005 | 08:34 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you need an alignment to fix your TOE. your toe will be toed in because you lowered your ride height.

your camber does NOT need to be adjusted, so save yourself some money and forget about a camber kit.

your tires will wear on the inside because of the bad TOE, not camber. in fact, the increased negative camber will help you with grip, it will not cause excessive wear. TOE does.


once again, let me repeat for the hard of hearing and hard headed ppl:

bad TOE eats tires, not camber. you need to fix your TOE, you do that by getting a professional 4 wheel alignment done.</TD></TR></TABLE>

huh, I've never heard it like that before. You seemed rather convinced and already have a supporter, guess that's good enough for me. I just had a 4 wheel alignment done (which revealed sagging springs, hence the upgrade), so I don't really want to get another anytime soon. I can see how the lowering would effect camber easily, but what about toe?
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Old Sep 15, 2005 | 08:56 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Deo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I can see how the lowering would effect camber easily, but what about toe?</TD></TR></TABLE>

the tie rod is at a different angle. lowering affects toe as much as camber. caster, camber, and toe all are dynamic throughout the wheels up and down motion.

and its quite a fact that "camber wear" is caused by toe, not camber.

ive got 4 sets of race and street tires that will show very even tire wear from almost slammed and pro-kit spring heights. im sure many others who kept their alignment in spec will attest to it. i had a alignment shop as a sponsor, so i always knew my toe was in spec. and because of it, i actually got a lot more out of my tires than normal. i still have a set of original azenis that still have a lot of tread on em that i bought before anyone knew about em. and its worn straight across. this is through street miles, a couple autox and track days.

eventhough you got an alignment before you put the springs on, you have to get another alignment. those who just put camber kits on, really arent doing themselves a favor. actually, i remember my camber was at -1.5-1.75 with prokits. thats a pretty good sweet spot for camber.
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Old Sep 15, 2005 | 09:34 AM
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Neuspeed recomends -1* camber

Correct me if I wrong here but I would think camber effects tire contact, yes at a full 100% lock the -1 plus would be benificial but in a slight turn tire contact would be sacrificed.
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Old Sep 15, 2005 | 09:49 AM
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Default Re: Eibach Pro-kit, alignment needed? (Tyson)

I'm curious, what do amateur race teams do for alignments? It can't be practical to run to an alignment shop everytime you make an adjustement, let alone at the track.
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strings and measuring tape.
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