Iv'e searched for this comparison but havent found it.

On the stock wheels should I run the RT615's or RE010 it seems like everyone says that the stock tires have the best steering feel but the falkens grip better. What do you guys think?

the price doesn't matter theres only a 30$ diffrence between them.

do you guys think the RE010 are outdated or tha there still the best tire for a stock type R.

 

I would get the Azenis just because I'm a broke *** like that and believe the $30 could be used better elsewhere like a tank of gas . I'm sure the RE010 would have a better/smoother/quieter ride quality than the Azenis, but am not sure but would bet you'll sacrifice any grip.

Right now I have some Bridgestone Grid II tires that grip well, but not nearly as good as the Azenis; but then again ride so much better on the streets. I do know for a fact they don't grip as good on high speed turns as the Azenis, but I rarely drive it that hard on the open roads to find out.

 

Just what you said, the RE010 will give a better steering feel (unless you have Azenis on 7" wide wheels) but they will not give you the grip of the Azenis.

 

I would suggest the RE010 on stock wheels.

I had the 215 falkens on stock sized wheels and felt that the car had similar steering response and feedback as using snow tires. The grip was great but it lacked the go kart feel of the stock tires. Had the 215's mounted on some 15x7 rims and they feel a LOT better now.

 

that's what I keep hearing I think I'm going to order a set of RE010

 

For a daily driven situation?

REO10-yes if you don't mind paying
Falken- if you are running track days/autox and daily driving

Me personally, well I think I'll try the Hankooks for street tires and autocross fun runs after I change back to my street tires at events.

 

I prefer the stock tires as well for daily driving on stock wheels. The 205/50 Azenis grip well but feel terrible and its not like the RE010's are exactly lacking in the grip department.

RE010's have awesome steering feedback and still outgrip most tires on the market.

 

It's also worth noting that the RE010 is likely to last a whole lot longer than the RT-615. When you compare them on a cost-per-mile basis, to take into account how often you'll be replacing them, the cost of the RE010 and the RT-615 is likely to be almost exactly the same.

The old Azenis RT-215 typically lasted 9-12K miles on an ITR (a few lasted longer, a few others lasted less, but this was typical) and the new Azenis RT-615 have the same treadwear rating (200), whereas the RE010 typically last 15-20K miles (mine are already up to 27K miles and I'm not down to the treadwear bars yet).

I agree that the RT-615 is probably a better bet if you plan to do a lot of autocross and road course events on your tires, but otherwise... well, I'm using the RE010 on mine (and switch to track tires for track events).

 

I'm basically going to repeat what has already been said here...

For daily driving, the RE010's will "feel" the best, read: responsive.

I would look into the new Hankook RS2's, I just picked up a set for my daily driving duties, and they handle very crisp and feel much like the 215/45 RE010's that came on the JDM 16's.

 

get some kumho Mx's.. i have a set and i luv it

 

so you guys are saying that for autocross were I compete in street tire class, the rt615's will be faster but the RE010's will feel better?

 

Ive had 2-3 sets of RE010s, 2 sets of the old azenis, and 1 set of new azenis.

IMO, the RE010s are the best tire.

That said, they're not THAT much better than the old azenis on a stock rim, and the old azenis look a lot better then the skinny re010s.

The new azenis, I'm not 100% impressed with yet. Grassroots said they're the best tire. Leaps and bounds above MXs, and better then the hankook or even the old azenis. The ultimate grip is better than the last azenis, but the sizewalls are not stiff, and IMO, it doesnt feel good w/o stiff sidewalls.

 

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Yes

 

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The Hankook RS2 Z212 do definitely provide a lot of grip for the money, and they are available in the variety of sizes that ITR drivers would want. 205-50-15, 215-45-16.

I'm surprised you called them crisp because the full tread out of the box is slightly squirmy, and the sidewalls are a little soft for the billing as a very high performance tyre.

But...it is a hell of a lot of grip for the money, and they do very well in the wet weather. I've had them on the track twice, now, in rainy situations and they did very well indeed.

 

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Just be careful w/that...the test in Grassroots as an autocross-like test, and there are tyres out there that might be better in daily driving or driving on the track.

Like you, I got a lot of information about of their test. But I doubt I'm going to be buying the tyre that was "best" in that test.

 

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Nothing really wrong w/that choice. It's a nice tyre for the money, but it's kind of "old technology" compared to the Falken RT615 and Hankook Z212.

 

Where's Nsxtasy? Isn't he our resident tyre expert?

 

Thanks George. Base on previous (same topic) discussion, Nsxtasy will recommend stock RE010.

 

[echo] I used RE010's for street and RT615's for track. Great combo. [/echo]

 

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I'm here! I posted last night, and now it's the next morning. Don't I get to sleep?

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Sort of. As I said:

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I think the choice really comes down to a combination of factors. I think the first question you need to ask yourself is not even which tire to get, but rather, how much do you care about street performance vs autocross/track performance? Because there is a choice you have to make before you decide on which tire to get, and that choice is whether or not to get a separate set of rims/tires for autocross/track use. If you're going to be doing a lot of autocross/HPDE events, and you've started getting some experience at these events, then you probably ought to have two sets of rims/tires - in which case, you have two different questions about which tires to get, one just for street use (where cost and treadlife might be priorities), and one just for track use (where traction is all you care about). I can see how some folks in this situation might even decide to use a less-expensive, lower (but decent) performance, longer-lasting tire (e.g. Yokohama ES100, Kumho Ecsta SPT) on the street, and sticky R compound track tires (e.g. Toyo RA-1, Hoosier R3S04 or A3S05, etc) at the track or autocross. But I am digressing from the original question.

It all comes down to how you use your tires. If you want to use the same tires at autocross/HPDE events as on the street, then rock the Azenis (the Hankook Z212 and Kumho MX that have been mentioned are also good choices, with the MX perhaps the best choice of these if you're going to be racking up a lot of daily driving miles on the street, due to their greater treadlife). If you're going to be using the tires mostly on the street and twisties (if you don't do autocross/HPDE, or if you have separate tires for those events) and you want great handling feel, then get the RE010.

 

Have any of you guys tried the Toyo Proxes4? i read great reviews on em on 1010tires.com and they were fairly less expensive than other tires. How would you rate them compared to the stock RE010, Azenis, Kumho, Yokohama AVS, etc...

 

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The Toyo Proxes 4 is an all-season tire. The RE010, Azenis, Kumho MX, Yoko ES100, etc that we're discussing here are summer tires. Summer tires are specifically designed to perform well when the temperatures are fairly warm (IOW they mostly suck on snow and in frigid cold). All-season tires are "compromise tires" for people who need to use the same tires when it's warm as they use on snow and in frigid cold. All-season tires are okay in winter conditions, but not as good as pure winter tires, and are okay in warmer conditions, but not as good as summer tires.

Bottom line: If you need to use your tires on snow and in very cold conditions as well as the rest of the year, then the Toyo Proxes 4 or some other all-season tire would be a good choice. If you don't have winter conditions or if you have a separate set of tires (or car) to use when winter hits, then you're better off with summer tires, because they perform better the rest of the time.