So I just lowered my car more today (TEIN SS coilovers, if it matters) and it's pretty even all around:

Front:

Rear:


I don't consider it to be THAT LOW, but it might be. So after that I go to get an alignment and here are the specs BEFORE alignment from what I remember:

Camber:
Front Driver: -2.5
Front Passenger: -1.7
Camber:
Rear Driver: -3.3
Rear Passenger: -2.2

Total Toe: 0.18

This was before aligning, I just saw my camber was WAY out of whack. that I just said forget it. Now i' am back at home sitting and thinking about what to do, why are my camber# for left and right, fronts soo different? It's lowered about the same height up front, and the same height for the rears.

What should I do? I have an OMNI-POWER front camber kit that is NEW and haven't put on yet, i' am kind of worried after all the bad things I hear about camber kits.

Please make suggestions on what I should do

Thank you.

 

those are horrible pics to show tryin to explain your camber

 

those pix weren't suppose to show the camber, those are suppose to show you how low i' am dropped. I asked what should I do good job of reading with the camber if you want here's a picture of the -3.3 in the back:


Anyways, anyone know what I should do? Or why my camber is horrible off from one another at the same height? Help!!!

 

The only way to get precise camber at each corner is to get it on an alignment machine. You can't expect your camber to be close by eyeballing it during the install; they will always be off. So if you want your cambers corrected, take it to a shop. Also, if you're going to install the camber kits, set them to approximately the same settings, and install them, and have the shop do the rest, assuming they know how.

 

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Thank you for replying. Those numbers I have were from an alignment machine. What I meant was I took it to have an alignment, it was on the rack, sensors were on, and it measure the camber, toe, caster for all 4 wheels, and that's when I saw that the negative cambers were all whack out of spec, and just promptly asked for my car back and came home.

Those numbers are what I remembered seeing on the machine today, I didn't get a print out.

So even though my camber is all crazy, I should still take it to get aligned? If I do get it aligned and zero out my toe, but drive around with that much camber for daily driving, it'll eat my tires up right?

I appreciate the help please keep them coming

 

toe eats tires not camber

Camber just changes what part of the tire contacs the ground

toe makes the tire drag along the road

id buy a camber kit
put that on and than get your car re alligned

 

Oh definitely take it back, and have them do an alignment. I've been to a shop that said that they could not do an alignment because my car was "too low"; don't listen to that b.s. It can be done. I'm not sure if you can specify settings, though. Like if you ask for neg 2 degrees of camber in the rear and 1.5 in the front or something, they might say "No we can only set it to factory specs". Anyhow, get an alignment!
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Yup. Apparently toe will eat camber much quicker than camber will, so you need to worry about your toe settings more.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Noob4life &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh definitely take it back, and have them do an alignment. I've been to a shop that said that they could not do an alignment because my car was "too low"; don't listen to that b.s. It can be done. I'm not sure if you can specify settings, though. Like if you ask for neg 2 degrees of camber in the rear and 1.5 in the front or something, they might say "No we can only set it to factory specs". Anyhow, get an alignment!

Yup. Apparently toe will eat camber much quicker than camber will, so you need to worry about your toe settings more.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks again I know the toe can be fised but i' am worried about the camber being differetn at each wheel and how they vary alot from one another. So as long as my TOE is ZEROed out, I shouldn't have to worry about my crazy camber? Thank you.

 

To give you an idea of what sort of camber I was seeing on my car, check out my camber numbers before alignment:
FL: -2.3
FR: -1.9
RL: -2.4
RR: -1.6
And when I lowered my car, I checked distance between the top of the tire, and the very top of the fenderwell arch. Fronts were within &lt;1mm of each other, as were the rears, so I got them as equal, heightwise, as I could, and still you see the camber numbers.
But what killed me were my toe settings. I had a total toe in the front of -.16, and in the rear of -.93. The fronts were just barely within spec range, but the rears were horrendously out.
FL: -.03
FR: -.13
RL: -1.07
RR: .13
Yeah, I'm feelin this on the road too.
Such camber can be fixed, I've seen numerous much more extreme cases fixed on an alignment rack before. For normal driving, it looks like 0 toe all around is the way to go, while some negative camber is desirable. Hopefully you find a shop that will let you specify the camber settings, but if not, I think they just zero it out as well. Or at least get it within factory specs.

 

new coilovers have to break in a bit then id remeasure and make sure my ride height is correct

 

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they've been on a car for about a year now, i've just decided to lower it a bit more to my taste.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Noob4life &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">To give you an idea of what sort of camber I was seeing on my car, check out my camber numbers before alignment:
FL: -2.3
FR: -1.9
RL: -2.4
RR: -1.6
And when I lowered my car, I checked distance between the top of the tire, and the very top of the fenderwell arch. Fronts were within &lt;1mm of each other, as were the rears, so I got them as equal, heightwise, as I could, and still you see the camber numbers.
But what killed me were my toe settings. I had a total toe in the front of -.16, and in the rear of -.93. The fronts were just barely within spec range, but the rears were horrendously out.
FL: -.03
FR: -.13
RL: -1.07
RR: .13
Yeah, I'm feelin this on the road too.
Such camber can be fixed, I've seen numerous much more extreme cases fixed on an alignment rack before. For normal driving, it looks like 0 toe all around is the way to go, while some negative camber is desirable. Hopefully you find a shop that will let you specify the camber settings, but if not, I think they just zero it out as well. Or at least get it within factory specs.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Thanks, so are you still at those current camber settings? How is your tirewear? I understand that my rear camber can be fixed with shimming out the rear with washers. The front right of only -1.7ish camber doesn't worry me to much, but the front left of -2.5 kind of worries me.

When you say "Such camber can be fixed" I assume that you're referring to a car with a camber kit? I really don't want to put on my front camber kit. I guess i'll take my car to an alignment shop this tuesday (I work from 8-6 tomorrow)

So I guess my MAIN concern is, after my toe is ZEROed out, can I run around with my current front cambers for the front left and front right camber?

Also an alignment question, if I just go and say "Just zero out my toe please" would it be hard to get it back to ZERO toe? Or can the toe be brought back to "ZERO" easily? What if they say they can't do it?

Thanks again for all of your help

 

for answer

 

There isn't anything wrong. Get some adjustable camber kits and get an alignment. done.

 

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What I meant was I took it to have an alignment, it was on the rack, sensors were on, and it measure the camber, toe, caster for all 4 wheels,</TD></TR></TABLE>
The alignment rack magically looked into your suspension and figured out your caster?? It could see the angle that the suspension travels on? thats a cool *** machine. Anyway to not be an *** and offer some advice, its pretty simple geomery here, the lower you go the more camber you get, so if your camber is all jacked up and your probably slightly lower on one side, you might not be able to see it but that dosent change the fact, also worn *** bushings and a tweeked frame would affect it. your probably not going to get it perfect unless you put it on the rack and adjust the coilovers, you would b e better to cornor weight the car then adjust the camber with a kit.