As the topic states this ques is based on the helper springs for the B2 set-up. I originally was going to order just a pair (2 hekper springs) for the rear of my 96 hatch to help keep the main springs in place when the wheel/s would become lifted off the ground.

When I got on the site, the description stated they help in vehicle cornering. So this kinda makes me think the will delete/help against chasis roll. I thought they had low spring rates and really wouldn't think they would help in a tight cornering situation other than to keep the springs seated upon droop.

I am just curious if the do help against body/chasis roll when cornering, if so, I will buy four springs .

Thx for input.

 

once the weight of the car is on the helper springs they are null and void, in fact i don't even think they have a spring rate (im almost positive that they don't).

so i don't think they are going to help with body roll, since the springs are null and viod once on the ground.

 

Thx, that is exactly what I thought, however if you look on the Endless web page, the description of the helper springs is kind of mis-leading with its talk of improvement in cornering.

 

Helpers have no rate. Tender springs do. Sounds like their info is a little messed up.

 

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here, you can see what I mean. This is their description.

Helper Springs (B2 only)
Helper springs help to improve cornering especially during hard driving by increasing stability. Helper springs are available only for the Zeal B2 coilover system and should be installed underneath the spring between the seat locks.

 

One not so apparent benefit to helper springs is that you can dial in more droop to your suspension and still keep the main spring seated at all times. You simply lower the main spring perch "X" amount, extend the shock body the same amount minus the thickness of the compressed helper spring to maintain the same ride height. Now you have "X" amount of additional droop in your suspension. Just be careful; whatever you add to droop is taken away from suspension travel under compression.

By adding more droop to the rear suspension it helps keep the inside rear tire on the ground longer before you start to "dog leg". I can't tell you if this is beneficial for your situation but it's one tool for adjusting your suspension. Generally speaking FWD cars suffer from too much understeer and adding more rear grip isn't going to help that.

Helper springs also come in different rates. Eibach springs are rated at "0" (really about 1-2lb/in) and Swift helper springs come in three rates (45-84-168lb/in). I don't know the exact rates of the Endless helper springs.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RineRacing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">One not so apparent benefit to helper springs is that you can dial in more droop to your suspension and still keep the main spring seated at all times. You simply lower the main spring perch "X" amount, extend the shock body the same amount minus the thickness of the compressed helper spring to maintain the same ride height. Now you have "X" amount of additional droop in your suspension. Just be careful; whatever you add to droop is taken away from suspension travel under compression.

By adding more droop to the rear suspension it helps keep the inside rear tire on the ground longer before you start to "dog leg". I can't tell you if this is beneficial for your situation but it's one tool for adjusting your suspension. Generally speaking FWD cars suffer from too much understeer and adding more rear grip isn't going to help that.

Helper springs also come in different rates. Eibach springs are rated at "0" (really about 1-2lb/in) and Swift helper springs come in three rates (45-84-168lb/in). I don't know the exact rates of the Endless helper springs.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Helper springs have virtually no spring rate, whereas tenders have definite spring rates generally from 100 lb/in and up. In addition, helpers and tenders are used for two completely different reasons. Helpers are used to keep the main spring from clanging around under droop conditions. On the other hand, tenders are used to allow significant droop travel for the purpose of changing handling response under braking or in cornering. Tenders help to make sure that a loaded tire does come off the ground as quickly. A loaded tire that is forced off the ground has to instantaneously transfer load to other suspension corners resulting in twitchy response. The tenders help to mitigate this effect.

 

I believe I will need something like this. I have the Zeal Function S6 though. Which has Swift springs. So will I have to get Swift helper springs instead of the Zeal helper springs, correct? I believe this will eliminate the spring becoming unseated in cornering. Or would a sway bar prevent that from happening?

 

You won't need helper springs unless your setup doesn't have enough droop. If you determine that you need helper springs you can go with any brand that has the same inner diameter.

A large swaybar will reduce the amount of suspension droop on the inside wheel.

 

I see. I have currently don't have a rear sway bar. But I'm putting the stock 13mm 00 Si one on now. Then later upgrading to the 19mm Invidia. I currently have about 1/8"- 1/4" droop from the spring and the top hat of the coilover went the suspension is unloeded. So when the suspension unloads in a corner or steep enterance the spring pops very loudly and sounds binded really bad. I want to get rid of that. So does the helper springs or the sway bar or both prevent that? And if I get helpers I only need them in the back right? The front is preloaded.

I have plenty treaded body travel upfront sitll but in the back I've bottomed out on the threaded body, I can't go lower so I have to lower the strut body some, in turn lowering the spring a little and reducing piston travel (not by much).

 

If you're bottoming out the rear shocks you need to raise the spring perch then shorten the shock body an equal amount. I suspect this will also give you a seated spring at full droop.

 

Well I meant the treaded body is bottomed out. Zeal didn't give the back as much body adjustablity as the front. So the actually spring perch needs to be lowered. Maybe I can rethread the body further then what is allowed right now. Athough, it isn't designed to... I'm running out of ideas to seat the spring. All in all at full droop the spring has about 1/4" play to be that ride height am and I'm not even low at all.