gsr block or ls block
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gsr block or ls block
I have a b16 in my civic and would like to do a ls/vtec.Which block would be better a gsr or ls and would you need to run a oil feed line for the gsr block for the vtec?
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Re: gsr block or ls block (7thgenRS)
GS-R block: 1797cc (slightly less displacement), VTEC oil squirters for piston skirts, has knock sensor already, can sustain higher revs for longer periods of time, costs more, harder to find
LS block - 1834cc, no oil squirters, must run a VTEC conversion kit with oil feed line, etc, need to add a knock sensor, doesn't like to be revved as much or as high for as long, cheaper, more abundant
For any of you would-be LS/VTEC people let me ask you something:
IF THE LS BLOCK WAS SO GOOD FOR VTEC THEN WHY DID HONDA SPEND YEARS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS DEVELOPING THE 1797CC GS-R BLOCK WHEN THE LS BLOCK HAD ALREADY BEEN AROUND FOR 3 YEARS?
Well? The LS block had been around since 1989, the same as the B16A VTEC. Honda could have simply slapped the B16A head onto the LS block, so why didn't they?
What they did was re-engineer a block that they had already been using, which costed them time, money, tooling costs, etc. They must have known that destroking the block and adding oil squirters was the key to having a RELIABLE high revving 1.8L VTEC block.
So why go backwards and go against millions of dollars or R&D just to save a few bucks and have slightly better torque at the cost of reliability?
LS block - 1834cc, no oil squirters, must run a VTEC conversion kit with oil feed line, etc, need to add a knock sensor, doesn't like to be revved as much or as high for as long, cheaper, more abundant
For any of you would-be LS/VTEC people let me ask you something:
IF THE LS BLOCK WAS SO GOOD FOR VTEC THEN WHY DID HONDA SPEND YEARS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS DEVELOPING THE 1797CC GS-R BLOCK WHEN THE LS BLOCK HAD ALREADY BEEN AROUND FOR 3 YEARS?
Well? The LS block had been around since 1989, the same as the B16A VTEC. Honda could have simply slapped the B16A head onto the LS block, so why didn't they?
What they did was re-engineer a block that they had already been using, which costed them time, money, tooling costs, etc. They must have known that destroking the block and adding oil squirters was the key to having a RELIABLE high revving 1.8L VTEC block.
So why go backwards and go against millions of dollars or R&D just to save a few bucks and have slightly better torque at the cost of reliability?
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Re: gsr block or ls block (B18C5-EH2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">GS-R block: 1797cc (slightly less displacement), VTEC oil squirters for piston skirts, has knock sensor already, can sustain higher revs for longer periods of time, costs more, harder to find
LS block - 1834cc, no oil squirters, must run a VTEC conversion kit with oil feed line, etc, need to add a knock sensor, doesn't like to be revved as much or as high for as long, cheaper, more abundant
For any of you would-be LS/VTEC people let me ask you something:
IF THE LS BLOCK WAS SO GOOD FOR VTEC THEN WHY DID HONDA SPEND YEARS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS DEVELOPING THE 1797CC GS-R BLOCK WHEN THE LS BLOCK HAD ALREADY BEEN AROUND FOR 3 YEARS?
Well? The LS block had been around since 1989, the same as the B16A VTEC. Honda could have simply slapped the B16A head onto the LS block, so why didn't they?
What they did was re-engineer a block that they had already been using, which costed them time, money, tooling costs, etc. They must have known that destroking the block and adding oil squirters was the key to having a RELIABLE high revving 1.8L VTEC block.
So why go backwards and go against millions of dollars or R&D just to save a few bucks and have slightly better torque at the cost of reliability?
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that is something I have never thought about. Excellant point
LS block - 1834cc, no oil squirters, must run a VTEC conversion kit with oil feed line, etc, need to add a knock sensor, doesn't like to be revved as much or as high for as long, cheaper, more abundant
For any of you would-be LS/VTEC people let me ask you something:
IF THE LS BLOCK WAS SO GOOD FOR VTEC THEN WHY DID HONDA SPEND YEARS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS DEVELOPING THE 1797CC GS-R BLOCK WHEN THE LS BLOCK HAD ALREADY BEEN AROUND FOR 3 YEARS?
Well? The LS block had been around since 1989, the same as the B16A VTEC. Honda could have simply slapped the B16A head onto the LS block, so why didn't they?
What they did was re-engineer a block that they had already been using, which costed them time, money, tooling costs, etc. They must have known that destroking the block and adding oil squirters was the key to having a RELIABLE high revving 1.8L VTEC block.
So why go backwards and go against millions of dollars or R&D just to save a few bucks and have slightly better torque at the cost of reliability?
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that is something I have never thought about. Excellant point
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Re: gsr block or ls block (B18C5-EH2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well? The LS block had been around since 1989, the same as the B16A VTEC. Honda could have simply slapped the B16A head onto the LS block, so why didn't they?
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I believe the debut of the B16A was in 1986, not 1989. I'll try to find info on this, tho.
Can't find anything but i read it somewhere. Everybody including me thought that the first b16 was in 89 but then I read that so... No proof so the first b16 was in 89
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I believe the debut of the B16A was in 1986, not 1989. I'll try to find info on this, tho.
Can't find anything but i read it somewhere. Everybody including me thought that the first b16 was in 89 but then I read that so... No proof so the first b16 was in 89
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Re: gsr block or ls block (fast88std)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fast88std »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I believe the debut of the B16A was in 1986, not 1989. I'll try to find info on this, tho.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can look all you want to, but the absolute earliest the B16A could have been in production (meaning came stock in a car ) in Japan would be maybe late 1988.
Besides it's really trivial anyways, because that just bolsters my point even more that Honda had that much extra time to ponder about the 1.8L version of it.
BTW:
You do realize that if the B16A had come out in 1986 it would have been available in the old-*** boxy CR-X and the flip-up headlight version 1st gen Integras...
...and it certainly never came in anything older than the 2nd gen CR-X.
I believe the debut of the B16A was in 1986, not 1989. I'll try to find info on this, tho.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can look all you want to, but the absolute earliest the B16A could have been in production (meaning came stock in a car ) in Japan would be maybe late 1988.
Besides it's really trivial anyways, because that just bolsters my point even more that Honda had that much extra time to ponder about the 1.8L version of it.
BTW:
You do realize that if the B16A had come out in 1986 it would have been available in the old-*** boxy CR-X and the flip-up headlight version 1st gen Integras...
...and it certainly never came in anything older than the 2nd gen CR-X.
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Re: gsr block or ls block (7thgenRS)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 7thgenRS »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a b16 in my civic and would like to do a ls/vtec.Which block would be better a gsr or ls and would you need to run a oil feed line for the gsr block for the vtec? </TD></TR></TABLE>
It wouldnt be an LS/Vtec if you used a gsr block..Itd be a poor mans type R..Gsr motors are already vtec so no lines would need to be ran..
It wouldnt be an LS/Vtec if you used a gsr block..Itd be a poor mans type R..Gsr motors are already vtec so no lines would need to be ran..
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so i guess this question gets converted to, ls-vtec or poor man's type arRRRrrr 
if youve got the money, you should get a gs-r block. i think the only way id run an ls is in stock LS setup, not as an LS/vtec, and for vtec, id use a native vtec block.
but this is me, im not wealthy, so whatever i invest in, i want to do whatever possible to make it last.
oh, and im not knocking an LS/vtec, it just wouldnt be my first choice.
if youve got the money, you should get a gs-r block. i think the only way id run an ls is in stock LS setup, not as an LS/vtec, and for vtec, id use a native vtec block.
but this is me, im not wealthy, so whatever i invest in, i want to do whatever possible to make it last.
oh, and im not knocking an LS/vtec, it just wouldnt be my first choice.
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Re: gsr block or ls block (beaneg6)
if you are planning just to slap it together. Get a GSR, you won't have to run oil line, put rod bolts in and machine the rod ends, up the compression slightly (if n/a).
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Re: gsr block or ls block (B18C5-EH2)
First, Im not arguing, just for discussion-sake...
The thought that a reliable LSvtec can't built is ignorance. A buddy of mine has been running his for years now, and he drives it like an idiot. He drives it through the winter, and takes it to the track religiously in the summer. If all the propper steps are taken, an lsvtec can be just as reliable. Its when people start skipping steps to save money that they run into problems... another buddy of mine learned this the hard way on his B20vtec.
Just my .02
edit- And just as an afterthought, I will be building an LSturbo (the way they should be).
The thought that a reliable LSvtec can't built is ignorance. A buddy of mine has been running his for years now, and he drives it like an idiot. He drives it through the winter, and takes it to the track religiously in the summer. If all the propper steps are taken, an lsvtec can be just as reliable. Its when people start skipping steps to save money that they run into problems... another buddy of mine learned this the hard way on his B20vtec.
Just my .02
edit- And just as an afterthought, I will be building an LSturbo (the way they should be).
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Re: gsr block or ls block (mwieczorek43)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mwieczorek43 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First, Im not arguing, just for discussion-sake...
The thought that a reliable LSvtec can't built is ignorance. A buddy of mine has been running his for years now, and he drives it like an idiot. He drives it through the winter, and takes it to the track religiously in the summer. If all the propper steps are taken, an lsvtec can be just as reliable. Its when people start skipping steps to save money that they run into problems... another buddy of mine learned this the hard way on his B20vtec.
Just my .02
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The thought that a reliable LSvtec can't built is ignorance. A buddy of mine has been running his for years now, and he drives it like an idiot. He drives it through the winter, and takes it to the track religiously in the summer. If all the propper steps are taken, an lsvtec can be just as reliable. Its when people start skipping steps to save money that they run into problems... another buddy of mine learned this the hard way on his B20vtec.
Just my .02
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Re: gsr block or ls block (93ejay1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93ejay1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how do u plan on doing ls/vtec with a gsr block? 
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it's called poor man's R.
</TD></TR></TABLE>it's called poor man's R.
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Re: gsr block or ls block (7thgenRS)
I happen to have a 92 EG with a 95 B18C1 mated to a 1st Gen. B16A Head, along with alot of other things, and I have nothing but good things to say about the combo, depending on who builds the motor, what internal componants you have, and tuning, you can make up that torque you think your missing out on and have a stong, reliable, happy high revving motor. The car pulls mid 13's on street tire's.
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Re: gsr block or ls block (ABK)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ABK »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it's called poor man's R.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yea i know but he said he wants ls/vtec not a poor man type r
yea i know but he said he wants ls/vtec not a poor man type r
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Re: gsr block or ls block (mwieczorek43)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mwieczorek43 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First, Im not arguing, just for discussion-sake...
The thought that a reliable LSvtec can't built is ignorance. A buddy of mine has been running his for years now, and he drives it like an idiot. He drives it through the winter, and takes it to the track religiously in the summer. If all the propper steps are taken, an lsvtec can be just as reliable. Its when people start skipping steps to save money that they run into problems... another buddy of mine learned this the hard way on his B20vtec.
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So what are those proper steps, and how much will it cost?
(Yes I know the answer, but I'm curious to see what you say about it.)
The thought that a reliable LSvtec can't built is ignorance. A buddy of mine has been running his for years now, and he drives it like an idiot. He drives it through the winter, and takes it to the track religiously in the summer. If all the propper steps are taken, an lsvtec can be just as reliable. Its when people start skipping steps to save money that they run into problems... another buddy of mine learned this the hard way on his B20vtec.
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So what are those proper steps, and how much will it cost?
(Yes I know the answer, but I'm curious to see what you say about it.
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