Do you think its possible to run up front in ITB with a properly developed '82 Corolla? This is the RWD, solid rear axle econobox that came before the ae86. I was flipping thru a back issue of SportsCar and came across one and the price is right.

 

With all of the money in the world, probably. The problems are going to include sourcing new replacement parts that aren't expensive, finding racing bits that fit (e.g., shocks/springs), not having a public-knowledge braintrust to tap, and dealing with the scabbed-on smog stuff that came on that generation of cars. I'd argue that it's false economy to go that route.

K

 

I'm with Kirk. There's a bunch of interesting possibilities out there in all the classes - it's just a matter of being able to fund the production of super-custom stuff since you can't buy off the shelf.

From that vintage I'd probably do a BMW 320i for ITB. About the same power, you can still get go-fast goodies for them, and you get an independent rear suspension.

Saturn SC2 in ITA is a perfect example. The SPS people had an impossibly fast one a few years ago. I red the spec line, found out what kind of power they were making, and thought...wow, that's a horse of an ITA car. Until I realized that their car was all one-off custom kit that would have cost someone like me a fortune.

 

I have accumulated some knowledge on 71-71 and 75-79 Corollas. 2tc and 3tc motors. This is the generations before your car. If I can help, just ask.

 

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if I wasn't fed up with bmw I'd do a 318i for ITB. most of the know-how i've accumulated with my current car carries over and I think it could be made to run at the front

anyone have any other suggestions for a RWD ITB car thats not a bmw? I know the volvo can run at the front, and I've even owned a few...

 

Lots of good cheater stuff for old Corollas... Same for old Celicas (also ITB). If you want to be legal about it high performance parts aren't that hard to come by, OEM replacement parts might be a little worse.

An awful lot of competitiveness is based on a favorable minimum weight. What are the minimum weights for a Corolla (and what engine/model) vs a Celica?

Scott

 

Do the Volvo.
Proven winner, and if you get hurt in a Volvo with a great cage you just had one hell of a wreck.

 

142E = bling.

 

Rock the Volvo!

Soon to be autocrossing a 1800 or a 123GT, depends on which one we get running first. Probably the 123GT. It just lacks reverse, the 1800 needs a tranny.

 

A couple of weeks ago in qualifying at Road Atlanta Sam Moore passed me going into turn 6. I stuck with him through 6, but in 7 he downshifted, the car squatted on the left rear tire, and literally squirted out of the hole and down the backstraight. I couldn't even stay close enough to draft him.
I was like "Man, I gotta get me one of those."

 

He literally "squirted out of the hole"?

 

ITB and ITC Honda products dribble out of the hole.

 

Problem - I hear, anyway - with the Volvo is that to make them that fast, you have to be willing to either (a) blow up engines, or (b) rebuild them often. They spin them amazingly hard, sounds like.

The best rear-drive B cars SHOULD be the AE86 Corolla or MR2, but SCCA just can't seem to get them in the right class. Oddly, I think that a 4-cyl Mustang wouldn't suck but again, you'd be building an oddball - albeit one with stuff available and common parts.

K

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Knestis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Problem - I hear, anyway - with the Volvo is that to make them that fast, you have to be willing to either (a) blow up engines, or (b) rebuild them often. They spin them amazingly hard, sounds like.

The best rear-drive B cars SHOULD be the AE86 Corolla or MR2, but SCCA just can't seem to get them in the right class. Oddly, I think that a 4-cyl Mustang wouldn't suck but again, you'd be building an oddball - albeit one with stuff available and common parts.

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There's a regular over at IT.com that ran (runs?) an ITB Mustang. Not sure how fast he is, but it's a start.

Can a plain-jane Volvo 12 be "updated" to the 142E specs? Not sure if the VINs allow it or if there are other differences.

 

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this VIN thing is a real PITA for me. I understand the why and I'm not asking to have it changed but if it wasn't for that rule I could put a eta motor in my current car and maybe have a shot at something that might be made to run at the front in ITA. I also have an interest in an ITS 240sx that is a proven front runner in ITA with another motor.

Lesssee... maybe if I get an eta vin plate, grind the logbook number off the roll cage... thats enuf whining for today, somebody call me a wahbulance

 

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no ****. The ITB Volvos and BMW 2002 are freaking fast around Summit. They are running in front of a pot-load of ITA cars.
And these cars PULL HARD. I could not gain on them in the straights. Kinda depressing, actually... maybe they had close ration gear boxes?

 

There's a guy in our local region that races an '84 Corolla in ITB. He won recently up at Mid-Ohio ~August 6 I think.

 

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The thing about the Mustang is there are actually more go fast parts available for it than you'd think, due to its popularity in the local short track scene in the 4 cylinder classes. A buddy of mine runs one near Columbia and is seriously considering building one for IT.

Check your Bucaneer region results from Roebling from early this year. I can't remember whick weekend, sometime March/April timeframe. A Mustang completely dominated ITB on Saturday, finishing ahead of a Volvo 142, a GTI, a wabbit or two, and a 3g Civic. He was pretty fast on Sunday as well but qualified badly and lost the leaders at the start of the race. It's one hell of a pretty nicely done car, too. Red, blue and silver. I'll have to go back and check the event results to find out a name and some times....

:edit: I just went to the Buccaneer region website. Tace was the Jim Stark double in April. Mustang was driven by Ron Satelle Jr (SP?) and won on Sturday with a fast lap of 1:27.090. That ain't too damned shabby.


Modified by 1gCRX90 at 4:37 PM 8/23/2005

 

The Audis seem like a great ITB car. And the newly moved Accord look pretty darn good as well.

 

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The Accord LXi? Yeah, it was fast in ITB, got bumped to ITA, and returned to ITB (with more weight? haven't looked). I think OPM or one of the other SE region race-shops built a really nice one a few years ago.

Haven't seen any of the Audis. I imagine they would be expensive?

 

Pobst still has the Road Atlanta ITB track record from the 2001 ARRC. He was in an Accord. Todd Buras was right behind him in the OPM Accord.

The Audis have speed, but seem to have trouble finishing. Kind of like the Scirocco in ITC.

Scott, who had a little birdy whisper something to him about Accords, ITB, and the ARRC .

 

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Sounds like it's made a full recovery following the VIR 13 Hours last fall.



K

 

Well, the Audis qualified on pole and 2nd place. One went off and made an impressive drive right back up front.

The ITB ARRC should be a blast! There are a few different makes / models that have a real shot at it.

 

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Too much VW blood in those it seems. IIRC, they qualified 1-2 at last year's ARRC and broke, and if memory serves, two Audis became one...and broke. Again.

Watch out for the 1st-gen CRX Si in ITB.

 

Do you think the CRX has enough torque to keep up with the Volvos? I also wonder how the Civic si will do in B. It seems like the Civic will be a decent car but I'm not sure it will have enough to beat some of the other cars in B.