Azenis or g-Force ?
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Re: Azenis or g-Force ? (Curtisbeef)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Curtisbeef »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What would you rather have Falken Azenis RT-615 or
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Neither.
If I wanted a super-sticky tire like the RT-615 (and didn't mind that it wore fast), I would get the Hankook RS2 Z212. As good as the RT-615, but significantly less money.
As for the BFG, which g-Force tire are you talking about? They use that name on everything from their top-of-the-line g-Force T/A KD, to budget performance tires like the g-Force T/A KDW and g-Force T/A KDW2, to all-season tires like the g-Force T/A KDWS. In general, I think their tires are decent performers, but tend to cost more than some tires from other brands, tires that perform as well or better but cost significantly less.
What kind of car is this for? How much do you care about performance? How much do you care about cost/value? Are you looking for the best performing tire, regardless of price? Or a good value?
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Neither.
If I wanted a super-sticky tire like the RT-615 (and didn't mind that it wore fast), I would get the Hankook RS2 Z212. As good as the RT-615, but significantly less money.
As for the BFG, which g-Force tire are you talking about? They use that name on everything from their top-of-the-line g-Force T/A KD, to budget performance tires like the g-Force T/A KDW and g-Force T/A KDW2, to all-season tires like the g-Force T/A KDWS. In general, I think their tires are decent performers, but tend to cost more than some tires from other brands, tires that perform as well or better but cost significantly less.
What kind of car is this for? How much do you care about performance? How much do you care about cost/value? Are you looking for the best performing tire, regardless of price? Or a good value?
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Its for a my daily driven DC2 and I want it to perform good but it will probly never see more than 1 or 2 autocross events... Im loking for something that I can drive daly and not have to much trouble but still grip hard
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Curtisbeef »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its for a my daily driven DC2 and I want it to perform good but it will probly never see more than 1 or 2 autocross events... Im loking for something that I can drive daly and not have to much trouble but still grip hard</TD></TR></TABLE>
The summary in this post is excellent.
For a daily driver, I would narrow it down to:
Bridgestone RE010 (stock tire) - Great handling, great grip, expensive.
Yokohama ES100 - Okay handling, great in rain, last a long time, inexpensive.
Kumho MX - Very good performance, in between the previous two in both performance and price.
So it really comes down to how much you're willing to trade off price for performance.
The RE010 and the ES100 are both available in the stock size (195/55-15) whereas the MX is not, but is available in 205/50-15.
The summary in this post is excellent.
For a daily driver, I would narrow it down to:
Bridgestone RE010 (stock tire) - Great handling, great grip, expensive.
Yokohama ES100 - Okay handling, great in rain, last a long time, inexpensive.
Kumho MX - Very good performance, in between the previous two in both performance and price.
So it really comes down to how much you're willing to trade off price for performance.
The RE010 and the ES100 are both available in the stock size (195/55-15) whereas the MX is not, but is available in 205/50-15.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Curtisbeef »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You dont think the Azenis are a good choice> for DD? My friend drives them daily and swears by them...</TD></TR></TABLE>
The reason I don't think they're suitable for daily driving is that they wear extremely rapidly. They are reported to last only about as long as their predecessor, the RT-215. Most people with ITRs have reported that they only last 9-12K miles (although there are a few that last longer and a few others that don't even last that long). This compares with 15-25K miles for the RE010, and 25-40K miles for the ES100. So you'll buy two sets of Azenis during the time that you'll go through one set of the RE010, and three sets of Azenis during the time that you'll go through one set of the ES100. When you take into account how often you need to replace them, the Azenis are extremely expensive to use for daily driving. But they're a great choice for autocross and track events. (A lot of people who use them for autocross and track events switch to other tires for daily driving duties.)
And, as I mentioned earlier, if you don't mind rapid tire wear, the Hankook RS2 Z212 performs similar to the Azenis RT-615 for a significantly lower purchase price.
The reason I don't think they're suitable for daily driving is that they wear extremely rapidly. They are reported to last only about as long as their predecessor, the RT-215. Most people with ITRs have reported that they only last 9-12K miles (although there are a few that last longer and a few others that don't even last that long). This compares with 15-25K miles for the RE010, and 25-40K miles for the ES100. So you'll buy two sets of Azenis during the time that you'll go through one set of the RE010, and three sets of Azenis during the time that you'll go through one set of the ES100. When you take into account how often you need to replace them, the Azenis are extremely expensive to use for daily driving. But they're a great choice for autocross and track events. (A lot of people who use them for autocross and track events switch to other tires for daily driving duties.)
And, as I mentioned earlier, if you don't mind rapid tire wear, the Hankook RS2 Z212 performs similar to the Azenis RT-615 for a significantly lower purchase price.
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do the Hankook's handle better or similar there only $10 cheaper than Azenis...
I dont really mind the treadwear I relly only drive my car about 10k miles a year... everything is within 1 mile of my house...
I dont really mind the treadwear I relly only drive my car about 10k miles a year... everything is within 1 mile of my house...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Curtisbeef »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do the Hankook's handle better or similar</TD></TR></TABLE>
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Curtisbeef »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there only $10 cheaper than Azenis...</TD></TR></TABLE>
At Discount Tire, the 205/50-15 is $97 for the Falken RT-615, $78 for the Hankook Z212.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Curtisbeef »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont really mind the treadwear I relly only drive my car about 10k miles a year... everything is within 1 mile of my house...</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you don't mind the treadwear or the price, then get them.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Curtisbeef »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there only $10 cheaper than Azenis...</TD></TR></TABLE>
At Discount Tire, the 205/50-15 is $97 for the Falken RT-615, $78 for the Hankook Z212.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Curtisbeef »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont really mind the treadwear I relly only drive my car about 10k miles a year... everything is within 1 mile of my house...
</TD></TR></TABLE>If you don't mind the treadwear or the price, then get them.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Curtisbeef »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was also looking at these what do you think?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Too expensive for what you get. You can get better performance for the money with the Kumho MX (better performance for a similar price) or with the Yokohama ES100 (similar performance for a much lower price).
Too expensive for what you get. You can get better performance for the money with the Kumho MX (better performance for a similar price) or with the Yokohama ES100 (similar performance for a much lower price).
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If you aren't going to autocross regularly, I'd recommend the ES100s. I have them on my car now, and think they're great for daily driving and do quite well in the rain. They seemed to be holding up quite well until I got into autocrossing this summer. Plus, they were dirt cheap when I got them last summer.
Some RT-215's are going on tommorow for me. And as a note, a nationally competitive local GS driver has his RT-215's last for 20k miles as a daily driver with a few events on them.
Some RT-215's are going on tommorow for me. And as a note, a nationally competitive local GS driver has his RT-215's last for 20k miles as a daily driver with a few events on them.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by brianSilverTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you aren't going to autocross regularly, I'd recommend the ES100s. I have them on my car now, and think they're great for daily driving and do quite well in the rain. They seemed to be holding up quite well until I got into autocrossing this summer. Plus, they were dirt cheap when I got them last summer.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, exactly. $61 per tire in the stock Integra size of 195/55-15. Another, very similar choice is the Kumho Ecsta SPT, for $67 per tire. These tires offer very good performance at an incredibly low price. That compares with $90-100 per tire for the RT-615 and the BFG KDW2.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by brianSilverTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Some RT-215's are going on tommorow for me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The RT-215 was the predecessor to the RT-615 and is being discontinued. Compared with the RT-615, the RT-215 was significantly less expensive, but was not very good on wet pavement.
I try to avoid recommending a tire that's being discontinued. If you damage a tire, you'll have a tough time buying a single one, and could be stuck replacing the whole set. Just something to consider.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by brianSilverTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">as a note, a nationally competitive local GS driver has his RT-215's last for 20k miles as a daily driver with a few events on them.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Like I said, most ITR owners have gone through sets in 9-12K miles. Sure, there are a few reports like this where they last a long time. I also know of some folks who went through a set (with NO track events) in 7K miles. They're sticky tires, to be sure, which makes them great for autocross, but the rapid wear is their downside for daily driving.
Yes, exactly. $61 per tire in the stock Integra size of 195/55-15. Another, very similar choice is the Kumho Ecsta SPT, for $67 per tire. These tires offer very good performance at an incredibly low price. That compares with $90-100 per tire for the RT-615 and the BFG KDW2.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by brianSilverTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Some RT-215's are going on tommorow for me.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The RT-215 was the predecessor to the RT-615 and is being discontinued. Compared with the RT-615, the RT-215 was significantly less expensive, but was not very good on wet pavement.
I try to avoid recommending a tire that's being discontinued. If you damage a tire, you'll have a tough time buying a single one, and could be stuck replacing the whole set. Just something to consider.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by brianSilverTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">as a note, a nationally competitive local GS driver has his RT-215's last for 20k miles as a daily driver with a few events on them.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Like I said, most ITR owners have gone through sets in 9-12K miles. Sure, there are a few reports like this where they last a long time. I also know of some folks who went through a set (with NO track events) in 7K miles. They're sticky tires, to be sure, which makes them great for autocross, but the rapid wear is their downside for daily driving.
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Re: Azenis or g-Force ? (nsxtasy)
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I would get the Hankook RS2 Z212. As good as the RT-615, but significantly less money.
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So I roll out of the bank, stop at light.. suddenly... POW! PISSSHHH! hmm.. that's interesting.. i walk out of my car...
OH looky looky! a BIG fuggin 2 inch hole in my sidewall. not to mention 2 other serious cracks that would have pow-ed soon.
oh, did i mention i have kumhos?
with all that said, let's start a group buy for korean tires!
I would get the Hankook RS2 Z212. As good as the RT-615, but significantly less money.
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So I roll out of the bank, stop at light.. suddenly... POW! PISSSHHH! hmm.. that's interesting.. i walk out of my car...
OH looky looky! a BIG fuggin 2 inch hole in my sidewall. not to mention 2 other serious cracks that would have pow-ed soon.
oh, did i mention i have kumhos?
with all that said, let's start a group buy for korean tires!
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I haven't seen those cheap Azenis (Hankook RS2 Z212), but I hope what happened to me doesn't happen to others, especially during freeway or racing. That's some shiz right there.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JZPerformance »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oh, did i mention i have kumhos?
with all that said, let's start a group buy for korean tires! </TD></TR></TABLE>
Gee, that's like saying, "I had a problem with a Panasonic stereo once, so I refuse to buy any Japanese cars." That's SILLY.
The most common cause of tire failure is improper inflation pressures. How often do you check them? At least once a month?
Take the tire back to your tire dealer and get it replaced under warranty.
with all that said, let's start a group buy for korean tires!
</TD></TR></TABLE>Gee, that's like saying, "I had a problem with a Panasonic stereo once, so I refuse to buy any Japanese cars." That's SILLY.
The most common cause of tire failure is improper inflation pressures. How often do you check them? At least once a month?
Take the tire back to your tire dealer and get it replaced under warranty.
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