competition engineering tie rod, advantages disadvantages?
Has anyone used these on the street, in HPDE's, or track use in general. I was thinking of upgrading when I replace my stock ones.
http://competitionengineering.com/ca...?CatCode=21003
http://competitionengineering.com/ca...?CatCode=21003
Based on what I see in the picture - what I don't see more correctly - NO, DON'T USE IT.
The holes in the steering arms are tapered to accept the taper on the stock tie rod ends. You don't want to simply run a bolt thru a spherical rod and thru the small end of that hole and rely on clamping pressure to hold it all together. It might be ok for a trailered drag racer, but that's about it. It is a self-loosening system design.
Some of the off the shelf Mustang stuff apparently uses just a bolt thru a reamed hole in the steering arm on scarily long stand offs for bump steer correction, but as I said...."scary". And their bolt is HUGE, and steering arm THICK.
Scott, who doesn't like the word scary....unless it's like this:....."scary fast"......
The holes in the steering arms are tapered to accept the taper on the stock tie rod ends. You don't want to simply run a bolt thru a spherical rod and thru the small end of that hole and rely on clamping pressure to hold it all together. It might be ok for a trailered drag racer, but that's about it. It is a self-loosening system design.
Some of the off the shelf Mustang stuff apparently uses just a bolt thru a reamed hole in the steering arm on scarily long stand offs for bump steer correction, but as I said...."scary". And their bolt is HUGE, and steering arm THICK.
Scott, who doesn't like the word scary....unless it's like this:....."scary fast"......
Try this www.z10eng.com They have a kit that improves upon the original setup in a Honda without the problems of the Comp. Eng. Good for street, drag and autocross/track. Eliminates wheel hop for launches, and preloads the castor to eliminate the castor changes that Hondas have in hard turns, holding the already very good Honda suspension in position so it can do its job. Do a search on them and you will see the raves. Wish I could afford em right now
[Modified by 91SiKen, 11:39 PM 2/20/2002]
[Modified by 91SiKen, 11:39 PM 2/20/2002]
Every road racing G3 I've looked at used the stock tie rods, except for RTR who made up their own setup for bumpsteer correction, and it's safe to say that if you aren't within 1-2 seconds of their laptimes on a comparably setup car (like their competitors in G3's are) then you wouldn't realize any benefit from such correction.
It is highly likely that you would be taking bumpsteer in the wrong (increased error) direction if you just bolt a high misalignment heim to the steering arm as implied by the photo. So not only do you have a mechanically poor substitution, but one that makes your car work worse as well. For me it's a no brainer - DON'T DO IT. Yes, just use the stockers (if you really need to replace them because they are worn out).
Scott, who thinks trick parts that are inferior in every respect to the original should occupy a special place of exaltation: unsold on the manufacturers shelving......
It is highly likely that you would be taking bumpsteer in the wrong (increased error) direction if you just bolt a high misalignment heim to the steering arm as implied by the photo. So not only do you have a mechanically poor substitution, but one that makes your car work worse as well. For me it's a no brainer - DON'T DO IT. Yes, just use the stockers (if you really need to replace them because they are worn out).
Scott, who thinks trick parts that are inferior in every respect to the original should occupy a special place of exaltation: unsold on the manufacturers shelving......
Scott, who thinks trick parts that are inferior in every respect to the original should occupy a special place of exaltation: unsold on the manufacturers shelving......
Will

-who thinks that OE stuff works just fine...
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