Alright this isnt your average "which should i get" threads. I recently placed an order to jhpusa for a bunch'o'parts. (carbon hood, carbon duckbill, carbon hatch, omni full coils, omni camber kit). OK, then they just sent me this email:

We received your money orders today for the parts. We would like to know
if you want to switch the camber kit and coilovers from omni for other
parts. We can give you the skunk2 camber kit and D2 adjustable coilover
suspsension for the same price. If not, that is ok, we will just have to
order the omni suspension which may take severaly days. We look forward
to hearing from you.

Now, the D2 coilovers look like a pretty sweet deal to me. they are after all 32 way adjustable. i will probably hardly ever adjust them out of factory spec but i just want to know if A) anyone knows anything about the SPRING RATES, AND DAMPER LIFE compared to Omni's. and, B) anyone has had any firsthand exp. with them. i believe that they are pretty new to the market tho. I dont really want to be the social guinea pig here. And C) in what ways are they "32 way adjustable"

BTW heres a link to the D2 coilovers... http://www.jhpusa.com/catalog/...4557b

 

i've heard bad things about omni's, but i will let other people chime in about this subject.

 

I've heard nothing, but good about Omni products. 32 way adjustable meaning you can adjust the dampening force on them. THe Omni's do not have adjustable dampening.

 

if you want a more stocklike ride, get the D2s, if you dont care if you bounce arounda bit, get the omnis/

 

Get the D2's. I've heard and experienced too many bad things about the Omnis to really recommend them. But I've heard only good things about D2 and KSport (which are basically the same thing) and have Ksport's on my car. And even though # wise the D2/Ksports are listed as lower kg, they are stiff! My setup on my WRX uses 7kf/5kr on the softest dampening setting and the car is rock solid and barely moves. My friend was following me on the freeway and said he didn't see my car bounce at all, looked like it was gliding

 

I dunno why everyone is saying they have heard bad things about the omni's. If you search 99% of the threads are only saying good things. The only people I've said say bad things are the dumb people who didn't read the instructions and don't know the proper way to lower their cars.

I actually got the omni's over the d2's and k-sports because its impossible to find anyone who actually owns the k-sports or d2's and has a good review, but I found plenty of reviews for the omni's.

Also why did you get a camber kit? Waste of money...

 

Its not 32 "ways" of adjustment. I think the most "ways" of adjustment now are 4, available from the very high-end Moton pieces.
"Levels" or "settings" is a more appropriate term, refering to the different adjustments you can set your rebound damping too. An unavoidable result of adjusting rebound damping is changing your bound damping as well with mono-tube designs (at least, this has been my experience), so its maaaaybe 2-"way" adjustable in that rebound and bound damping are both changed at the same time.
edit: My mistake, looks like Penske is the one offering 4-way adjustability, and not Moton. I'm going by their respective websites.

 

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That's odd... unless you count hearing that omnis have valving similar to tokico blues or that they are made in taiwan as bad things, what are these 'many bad things' you've heard about omnis?
i don't have omnis, i just find it curious when i've only read good things about them (aside from a few people who let prejudice misconstrue valving & origin information into some sort of negative quality). the may not have a questionable range of adjustment with 32 cL1cKs y0! but they seem to be a good product for their price point in the market.

to the thread starter: there's a great thread stickied at the top of this forum that shows shock dyno plots of various coilovers (including d2s and omnis). These will, to some degree, tell you how the shocks will behave, and they will also show you the range of adjustment available. check it out.

 

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Umm because im lowering the car... that means neg. camber in wheels, and the camber kit will take that out... Did I miss something along the way?!

edit: also how will adjusting the rebound & bound have an effect on the life of my dampers, and the handling characteristics of the car?


Modified by Gunmetal_B20_Hatch at 11:31 PM 7/20/2005

 

Adjusting rebound damping will affect sprung weight of the car. Increasing it will result in decreased rate of body roll and pitch, and make for an overall stiffer ride. I recently read that too much rebound damping can lead to initial loss of grip actually, and possibly lead to "jacking down", where the shock is compressed, and before it can uncompress it encounters another bump, compressing it further, and this happens until the shock is completely compressed and no longer able to do its job.
Adjusting bound damping controls unsprung weight, and upward travel of the suspension. I'm not totally clear on its effects on ride.
I haven't read or seen anything regarding the actual act of adjusting affecting the life of the shock. Although something interesting I heard was that the initial purpose of adjustable damping was to counter-act the effects of prolonged use. Over the course of time the internal components are subject to some wicked wear and tear, and may not function as they did out of the box, in other words not be able to control motion as well. In which case, when you feel the decrease in performance, you use the adjustable damping to make up for this. This is what I've heard.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by my head a plode &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've heard nothing, but good about Omni products. 32 way adjustable meaning you can adjust the dampening force on them. THe Omni's do not have adjustable dampening.</TD></TR></TABLE>I was going to go w/omni's originally for my hatch, but decided against it for this reason. Im actually going w/koni yellows and GC's, but I think just choosing between your options, I would go with the D2's.

In regard to the comments made on Omni's rep, I have read NOTHING but good things about them, and I searched arround for a while. People seem to hold them in very high regard for their price. I havn't read anything about d2's so im giving them the benefit of the doubt in picking them.

 

also, to anyone that actually has the D2's, Do they infact come with a pillow ball top mount? It says on select models only so I dont know?! If so, how would adjustin the camber of the shock body itself effect handling?

This is just a stab in the dark, but on my R/C cars we some times add neg. camber to the shock itself, and this is supposed to make the shock act more like a progressive spring rate. IDK if this carries over into a full scale car too?

 

The Hondas with double a-arm suspensions up front don't need pillowball mounts, and camber adjustments are usually done by replacing the upper a-arm with an adjustable one. So more likely than not you don't pillowball mounts with yours.
A bit of negative camber won't affect spring rate afaik.

 

i would get the d2 coils cuz i have heard omni's ride hard and even if you like that you can just stiffen up the d2's. but if you get the d2 coil's then you have the choice softening it up to make it more comfortable on the street!

 

Double post, my bad. see below.

 

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Umm because im lowering the car... that means neg. camber in wheels, and the camber kit will take that out... Did I miss something along the way?!

edit: also how will adjusting the rebound & bound have an effect on the life of my dampers, and the handling characteristics of the car?


Modified by Gunmetal_B20_Hatch at 11:31 PM 7/20/2005</TD></TR></TABLE>

If your worried about wearing out your tires, get an alignment after you put in your suspension. This puts the toe back in spec, and that's what eats tires. Another thing that you will want to do when you finish installing your suspension is reset all your bushings. This will prolong their life.

As far as omni goes, I got the omni street full coilover setup. A little bouncy, but otherwise I can't complain.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Gunmetal_B20_Hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Umm because im lowering the car... that means neg. camber in wheels, and the camber kit will take that out... Did I miss something along the way?!

edit: also how will adjusting the rebound & bound have an effect on the life of my dampers, and the handling characteristics of the car?


Modified by Gunmetal_B20_Hatch at 11:31 PM 7/20/2005</TD></TR></TABLE>

u WANT negative camber..not too much tho..1.5-2° would be a nice number.