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Old Jun 23, 2005 | 03:46 PM
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I have a jdm type r motor... just put in skunk2 stage 2 camshaft... i'm just wondering, would the stock injectors be okay or is it better to go bigger... if bigger, what size is best for these cams...
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Old Jun 23, 2005 | 03:50 PM
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Stock can support upto 210whp from what I've seen.

If you go with bigger injectors you'll want to reprogram the ECU to run high flowing injectors. If you are going to do this 440cc work nice and give you alot of room to increase power without needing larger injectors.
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Old Jun 23, 2005 | 03:56 PM
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240cc and Stock Fuel Pressure max around 190whp...
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Old Jun 23, 2005 | 06:28 PM
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i made 195whp (baseline) on stock injectors with 48psi fuel pressure with vafc and skunk2 chipped ecu.
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Old Jun 23, 2005 | 06:39 PM
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with stock redline and around 200whp injectors start going around 100 and somtimes over 100% duty cycle, maxing out your injectors. you can use 92-96 prelude vtec injectors that are 345cc and peak and hold w/ oem honda resistor box
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 09:08 AM
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What does 100% duty cylce mean?
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 09:11 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rocket &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What does 100% duty cylce mean?</TD></TR></TABLE>

like a zen master always asking questions to challenge the apprentice......

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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 12:26 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rocket &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What does 100% duty cylce mean?</TD></TR></TABLE>

dammit, if i wanted to take tests id be in college!
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Rocket
What does 100% duty cylce mean?
This is tooken from an article i wrote on another website and other posts:
Originally Posted by Injector Tech
Duty Cycle
Unline pulse width, which is onlyu a measurement of the amount of time the circuit is on, the duty cycle is a measurement in percent of the amount of time that the circuit is on versus how long it is off. A duty cycle that is too high will often cause damage to components. This is because a circuit that is passing current will need to dissipate heat, and if the circuit has a duty cycle that doesnt allow sufficent time at rest, the head will not be able to leave the circuit and eventually cause damage.
In tuning a custom EFI system, it is important to keep an eye on the duty cycle of the injectors so they do not overheat and fail.
It is possibly to calculate the maximum allowable pulse-width that an injector can be given in order to stay within an acceptable range of duty cycle for any given engine speed. It works like this:

First, divide engine speed by 60 to get revolutions per second.
6,000 RPM / 60 (seconds/min) = 100 revs/sec

Then, divide 1 second by the revolutions per second = seconds for one rev.
1sec / 100 revs second = .01 Seconds per revolution

Now multiply the seconds for one revolution by 2 to get the amount of time one complete engine cycle. (In a four-stroke engine it takes two revolutions to complete a cycle)

0.01 Seconds per revolution x 2 = .02 Seconds per Complete 4-stroke cycle.

This is also the amount of time it will take to complete one complete four stroke cycle, which is also the maximum amoutn of time we have beofre the nect cycle beings and we need to worry about filling the cylinder with air and fuel again. The amount of pulse width compared to the amount of time available to complete the engine cycle will give a percentage equal to the duty cycle. If the amount of pulse width required of the injector in order to supply enough fuel to achieve the desired air-fuel ratio produced an unacceptably high duty cycle, then you need injectors that can supply greater amount of fuel for any given pulse width. This is usually referred to as the injectors flow rate, and can be measured in pounds per hour, cc per min or grams a second.
For example, you can see that at 6,000 rpm it takes 20thousands of a second or 20milliseconds, to complete each four-stroke cycle. That means if we have an injector pulse width of 15ms at 6,000 rpm, then our injector duty cycle would be 75 percent.

15 (.015)milliseconds / 20 (.020) milliseconds = .75 or 75% Duty Cycle

As the engine speed goes up, the amount of time it takes to complete the four-stroke cycle decreases , so if the pulse width remains the same, then the duty cycle will increase.

Examples: I am using .0118 pulse width here for demonstrational purposes only, just for this example. I know that honda's Avg. Duty Cycle is near if not 80%, so i used .0118 as a median for the pulse width. So when i datalog my gsr i will edit this article using my actual pulse widths according to engine rpm..
VTEC X-Over

4400/60 = 73.3 Revs/Sec
1 Sec / 73.3 Rev/s = .014 Seconds to complete 1 rev
.014 x (2) = . 027sec to complete one four stroke cycle

Injector Pulse Width of 11.8ms or (.0118) (Stock 240cc's)
.0118 / .027 = 43.7% Duty Cycle. So at VTEC Crossover the injectors are firing @ 43.7% Duty Cycle.

Secondary Butterflies:

5700/60 = 95 Revs/Sec
1 Sec / 95 Revs/Sec = .010 Seconds To Complete 1 Revolution
.010 x (2) = .02 Sec To complete one four stroke cycle
11.8ms Pulse Width
.0118 / .020 = 59% Duty Cycle

Redline:
8200/60 = 136.6 Rev/s
1 Sec/136.6 = .007
.007(2) = .014
.0118/.014 = 82.4% Duty Cycle

Most will say that 85% duty cycle is the max. acceptable limit of normal injectors. If you find in order to obtain Your desired a/f , you have to order pulse widths that produce higher than 85%, then you may want to consider using larger injectors.
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