So i bent valves and am just going to replace the entire head.

Which would you go for (i'm on a tight buget BTW)

Type-R head with no CAMs or cam caps for $400 OR

Replacement b16a head for $250 complete?

I was thinking of putting my b16a cams and cam caps in the type-r head (will they fit??!) and then selling the b16a head minus the cams and cam caps to recoupe some of the $$$

So would the Type-R head be worth it? I'm running a stock bottem end for now, gt28rs at only 5.8lbs, but i would like to be able to rev a little higher.

Also will my b16a intake manifold bolt up to the Type-R head? Will the Type-R head raise the compression on my b16a?

 

As far as I know the B16 head and type-r head are the same thing just with different cams and such. But I could be wrong. However I do know that any IM will interchange between B16, B17, and B18C5/R (type-r) heads, but B18C1 (GSR) is different.

 

I know it's almost the same, but the factory port job and dual valve springs is an advantage.

Does anyone know if it will change the compression on a b16a?

 

I'm pretty sure the Type-R head has more flow, its pretty much a b16 head with a factory port and polish

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jcup315 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm pretty sure the Type-R head has more flow, its pretty much a b16 head with a factory port and polish</TD></TR></TABLE>
this is true but if you can get your hands on a B16b, that is better than a B18c5 head

 

do not put b16 cams in a type r head! jus please dont do that! such a waiste of a great head and performance valvetrain

 

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this is true but if you can get your hands on a B16b, that is better than a B18c5 head</TD></TR></TABLE>


really?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sketch_hs &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So i bent valves and am just going to replace the entire head.

Which would you go for (i'm on a tight buget BTW)

Type-R head with no CAMs or cam caps for $400 OR


Also will my b16a intake manifold bolt up to the Type-R head? Will the Type-R head raise the compression on my b16a?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No cam caps?? .
Your B16 manifold will bolt up, it's essentially the same head.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sketch_hs &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know it's almost the same, but the factory port job and dual valve springs is an advantage.

Does anyone know if it will change the compression on a b16a?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's a slight port job, not polished, the valves on the ITR head are also better, along with the LMA's. Your compression won't change with the ITR head.

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this is true but if you can get your hands on a B16b, that is better than a B18c5 head</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not that I know of. Any info to substantiate?


Modified by rodrez. at 1:40 AM 6/21/2005

 

Get the B16 head and buy some Skunk cams and valvetrain. just as good as a type R head. i forget where i seen it but the flow test in comparisson between the b16 and the ITR were not that far off.

The b16b (CTR) head is the exact same thing as the ITR head cept for a slightly larger intake camshaft. does not flow any different.

 

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The b16b (CTR) head is the exact same thing as the ITR head cept for a slightly larger intake camshaft. does not flow any different. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Is this true? Reason I'm asking because I've done some research and I've heard something about the CTR intake cams being better, etc. For example, CTR intake cam and ITR exhaust cam. Not ITR intake cam. Just curious.

 

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Is this true? Reason I'm asking because I've done some research and I've heard something about the CTR intake cams being better, etc. For example, CTR intake cam and ITR exhaust cam. Not ITR intake cam. Just curious.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's what jdmlyfestyle was stating. The CTR intake cam is a bit better than ITRs, but the head is the same.

 

yes the CTR intake cam is SLIGHTLY bigger than the ITR intake cam. that is the only difference.

so the Del Sol Vtec b16a3 = 99-00 Si = SIRII ect

ITR = CTR

Just the cams are different

 

no the cams are NOT DIFFERENT!!!

Now the 97-98 ITR cams are just slightly less aggressive yes!

But the 00-01 ITR cams are IDENTICAL to the CTR cams!

Now a b16 head is prolly your best bet, IF you plan on upgrading the valvetrain (cams, springs, retainers ect...) anyway. The b16 head just does not have the mild port job for better airflow that the CTR and ITR heads do, minus the less aggressive cams obviously!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SleepnCiViC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no the cams are NOT DIFFERENT!!!

Now the 97-98 ITR cams are just slightly less aggressive yes!

But the 00-01 ITR cams are IDENTICAL to the CTR cams!
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Here we go again :shakes head:

 

uhhhh i dont see anything wrong w/ what i said??

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SleepnCiViC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">uhhhh i dont see anything wrong w/ what i said?? </TD></TR></TABLE>

CTR Intake Cam &gt; 96 Spec & 98 Spec Intake Cam
CTR Intake Cam = USDM 00-01 Intake Cam

Exhaust cams are the same.

Just to be more specific, not correcting you.

 

i believe ctr cams are not the same as the 00-01 usdm itr cams. someone please show the specs.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by built562 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> someone please show the specs.

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USDM 97-98 = 240
JDM 98-01 and USDM 00-01 = 242
CTR 96-00 = 243

 

The cams are identical

Civic Type-R And Integra Type-R(Integra Type R 2000/01 Spec)
Int-243 dur. / 11.5mm lift
Exh-235 dur. / 10.5mm lift

 

well I can see that I was miss informed about the head, but what about the motor in a hole iv heard its about one of the best for r/s ratio, is this false?

 

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USDM 97-98 = 240
JDM 98-01 and USDM 00-01 = 242
CTR 96-00 = 243
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Correct. Only a very slight difference, but a difference nonetheless. The CTR and newer ITR cams are in fact different on the intake side.

 

type r head will not increase compression as honda make the piston more aggressive to raise comp. The type r head is good from factory and is very difficult to better it with further porting and polishing, but without the type r cams that head will not benefit you.

do you have any mods? turbo?

sam

 

oh my god the cams are not different, but i have said enough here. Good day everyone!