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Old Feb 10, 2002 | 07:28 PM
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Ok, first, yes I did a search and couldn't find anything helpful.

I was wondering what everyone's opinion is on which type of intake is best? I have heard many different opinions on whether a cold air intake is really beneficial or if one should go with a short ram. Can someone help clear this up? Thanks..
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Old Feb 10, 2002 | 10:03 PM
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Colder air going in the TB will produce more HP. Only problem witht he cold air intake, water. Get some in that, and you'll screw things up bad, mainly, your block.
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Old Feb 10, 2002 | 10:45 PM
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had my CAI for 4 years now with no problems with water, when it rains here I have to drive through a BIG puddle to leave my housing complex... no problems.
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Old Feb 11, 2002 | 02:58 AM
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Cold Air Intake don't worry about the water unless you live in Washington State
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Old Feb 11, 2002 | 06:46 AM
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3" Stock honda intakes with a K&N filter.
Remove the Resonator.
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Old Feb 11, 2002 | 06:54 AM
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Yup, stock intake and airbox with some sort of drop in filter. In my case, K&N.
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Old Feb 11, 2002 | 11:07 AM
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Cold Air Intake don't worry about the water unless you live in Washington State
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Old Feb 11, 2002 | 11:23 AM
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I've heard people mention removing the resonator on the stock intake but I'm not sure what they're referring to. Can anyone explain? Where is it located and how do I remove it? I currently own a drop in K&N air filter but am considering buying an AEM CAI. Should I modify my stock intake or go with the AEM?
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Old Feb 11, 2002 | 12:07 PM
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short ram - more torque (best used in auto x)
cai - lost of torque (drag)
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Old Feb 12, 2002 | 03:30 AM
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got it backwards there..........




Go CAI and gain a bunch of useable torque. Will drop autox times by .7-2.0 seconds depending on the course and driver.
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Old Feb 12, 2002 | 04:41 AM
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I've heard people mention removing the resonator on the stock intake but I'm not sure what they're referring to. Can anyone explain? Where is it located and how do I remove it? I currently own a drop in K&N air filter but am considering buying an AEM CAI. Should I modify my stock intake or go with the AEM?
it's in the inner fender you caneiter take off the tire then take off the inner fender or take off the bumper. it's this big black plastic box. the tube that goes from your air box into the resinator box you can cut it so it will suck in cold air. i haven't dynoed it so i have no idea if it will help much, but colder are is better than hot air.
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Old Feb 12, 2002 | 04:45 AM
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Ok, first, yes I did a search and couldn't find anything helpful...
I don't ever have any luck with the searches either, Cow.
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Old Feb 12, 2002 | 11:35 PM
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Cold Air Intake don't worry about the water unless you live in Washington State
I'm in the seattle area.. lol.. it rains all the goddamn time and my CAI has been just fine.. I avoid puddles (only if possible) and i make sure my splash guards are in their appropriate places.
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Old Feb 13, 2002 | 09:10 AM
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I'm in the seattle area.. lol.. it rains all the goddamn time and my CAI has been just fine.. I avoid puddles (only if possible) and i make sure my splash guards are in their appropriate places.
people are way too concerned about hydrolock. For 99.9% of people, it's not going to pose a problem. You would have to have your entire filter submerged in water. We're talking driving through flood water.

a little bit of water in your intake is not going to hurt anything. By the very definition of hydrolock, one cylinder would need to take in more water than the total volume of of the combustion chamber at TDC. That's actually quite a bit of water if you know what your engine looks like on the inside.

a little water every now and then will just be evaporated, help clean up your cylinder walls, and the water vapor will be exhausted. People actually inject water into thier cars on purpose on some forced induction applications, it lower intake temps, and absorbs some of the heat produced at combustion. It's called water injection. It'll also help "steam clean" your engine.

Anyways, I'm done talking about the false impressions people have about CAI.

Now then, assuming the same pipe diameter and no additional bends (but we know this isn't the case), CAI will give you both more low end torque, and high end power than a short ram. This comes from an increase in airspeed, with no loss of volume. Longer pipes smooth out the airflow more and will result is a faster flowing air. Faster flowing air will in a way "push" itself into the combustion chamber. That means more air gets packed in there. Not to mention, it's pulling colder air, which will be more dense.

Often times though, short rams will have slightly larger piping, and filter elements. With these intakes, a larger total volume of air can be used, resulting in more high end power.

Anyways, don't take all of these to be 100% truths, as they are just what I've deduced from my fluid dynamics research. I'm extremely interested in fluid dynamics, as in a month or so now, I will be fabricating my own exhaust system from scratch, so I would like to learn all I can before starting up my welder, if anyone has any concepts they'd like to share, or corrections to make, I'm all ears.

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Old Feb 13, 2002 | 10:14 AM
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why don't you try making one yourself. jdmfan, has a full how-to on it.

IMO, both are good. short ram? has a shorter piping, not so dense in the engine bay. CAI? longer piping, colder air, but because of the distance the air comes in, i don't think it's as dense as it would be. both are worth it, but i'd say make your own. it'll save you almost $200 to do it yourself.

yup garagespecial is right. CAI has more drag of cooler air coming in, which means it's not pure CAI when it gets to the TB.


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Old Feb 13, 2002 | 10:46 AM
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had my CAI for 4 years now with no problems with water, when it rains here I have to drive through a BIG puddle to leave my housing complex... no problems.
what kinda intake do u have, and if its aem, do u have the bypass valve?
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