Should I try...
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Should I try...
I was thinking today about fiber glass and carbon fiber... I was thinking of designing and building a lightweight sports car with fiber glass and lightweigh aluminum and/or titainium metal. Maybe a mid-engine with a V6 engine and a custom all-time all-wheel drive with an prelude 5 speed manual. I know I might get flamed for this irrational and impractical idea, but like to be different from everybody else. I have an endless list of idea and can work around most problems with some creative thinking, I need to learn some new skill for this possible project such as welding and laying fiber glass, but I will have a bunch of time to learn.
Caleb
PS: Plus wouldn't it be cool to design a car that weighs less than 2000 pounds and a turbo setup with a built V6 down the road? I'd have to say it would be fast!
Caleb
PS: Plus wouldn't it be cool to design a car that weighs less than 2000 pounds and a turbo setup with a built V6 down the road? I'd have to say it would be fast!
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Re: Should I try... (supercreed2002)
Like a carbon fiber monocoque tub? F1 car style? It can be done, but its hella expensive.
A better bet would be to building something like the Ariel Atom and skin it in carbon fiber.
A better bet would be to building something like the Ariel Atom and skin it in carbon fiber.
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Re: Should I try... (1 cam)
im building a sports car from nothing.. I can tell you right now you probably cant afford it!
A 4x8 sheet of .030 Carbon Fiber thats been vacuum extruded costs $7500 and a foot of 1inch solid Ti costs around $400.. So unless you have $500,000 you probably shouldnt start!
A 4x8 sheet of .030 Carbon Fiber thats been vacuum extruded costs $7500 and a foot of 1inch solid Ti costs around $400.. So unless you have $500,000 you probably shouldnt start!
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Re: Should I try... (Want2race)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Want2race »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im building a sports car from nothing.. I can tell you right now you probably cant afford it!
A 4x8 sheet of .030 Carbon Fiber thats been vacuum extruded costs $7500 and a foot of 1inch solid Ti costs around $400.. So unless you have $500,000 you probably shouldnt start!
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I was thinking of regular fiber glass hand laid by me(with no vacuum)... Everybody else is out to get the civics which are fine, but rather common. I wanna build a two people vehical that looks like a car that weighs close to nothing. I was originally thinking of a nicer light-weight sand rail made with aluminum instead of steal and slam it to the ground. Then put a fiber glass body on it...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 cam »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Like a carbon fiber monocoque tub? F1 car style? It can be done, but its hella expensive.
A better bet would be to building something like the Ariel Atom and skin it in carbon fiber.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Is that street legal? What would that be in American Dollars? I could never figure that out...
Caleb
A 4x8 sheet of .030 Carbon Fiber thats been vacuum extruded costs $7500 and a foot of 1inch solid Ti costs around $400.. So unless you have $500,000 you probably shouldnt start!
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I was thinking of regular fiber glass hand laid by me(with no vacuum)... Everybody else is out to get the civics which are fine, but rather common. I wanna build a two people vehical that looks like a car that weighs close to nothing. I was originally thinking of a nicer light-weight sand rail made with aluminum instead of steal and slam it to the ground. Then put a fiber glass body on it...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1 cam »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Like a carbon fiber monocoque tub? F1 car style? It can be done, but its hella expensive.
A better bet would be to building something like the Ariel Atom and skin it in carbon fiber.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Is that street legal? What would that be in American Dollars? I could never figure that out...
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Re: Should I try... (Want2race)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Want2race »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im building a sports car from nothing.. I can tell you right now you probably cant afford it!
A 4x8 sheet of .030 Carbon Fiber thats been vacuum extruded costs $7500 and a foot of 1inch solid Ti costs around $400.. So unless you have $500,000 you probably shouldnt start!
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Sounds to me like your overpaying for that ****. $7500 for a 4x8 sheet of solid CF? first of all.... why would you want a solid flat sheet? its practically useless. Goto http://www.fibreglast.com and buy the raw material and lay it out by hand. Its A LOT cheaper. And why do you need solid titanium? once agian, your WAY OVERPAYING....
I bought a 7/8" SOLID 1 FOOT LONG Piece of T5 Titanium for $80.00
Your getting ripped off man.
A 4x8 sheet of .030 Carbon Fiber thats been vacuum extruded costs $7500 and a foot of 1inch solid Ti costs around $400.. So unless you have $500,000 you probably shouldnt start!
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Sounds to me like your overpaying for that ****. $7500 for a 4x8 sheet of solid CF? first of all.... why would you want a solid flat sheet? its practically useless. Goto http://www.fibreglast.com and buy the raw material and lay it out by hand. Its A LOT cheaper. And why do you need solid titanium? once agian, your WAY OVERPAYING....
I bought a 7/8" SOLID 1 FOOT LONG Piece of T5 Titanium for $80.00
Your getting ripped off man.
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Goto http://www.mcmaster.com
Look up item # 89055K411
Im sorry man but your getting screwed up the *** from where ever your buying your material. Shop around!
Look up item # 89055K411
Im sorry man but your getting screwed up the *** from where ever your buying your material. Shop around!
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Re: Should I try... (supercreed2002)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by supercreed2002 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
PS: Plus wouldn't it be cool to design a car that weighs less than 2000 pounds and a turbo setup with a built V6 down the road? I'd have to say it would be fast!</TD></TR></TABLE>
2,000 is light? Them old rat rods weight ~1200 pounds with a big *** v8, steel frames, steel bodies, fat drivers, fat wives.
I built a "car" that weighted 200 pounds with 113hp... I'm redoing everything with the same motor this summers, once I pick up some new tools.
PS: Plus wouldn't it be cool to design a car that weighs less than 2000 pounds and a turbo setup with a built V6 down the road? I'd have to say it would be fast!</TD></TR></TABLE>
2,000 is light? Them old rat rods weight ~1200 pounds with a big *** v8, steel frames, steel bodies, fat drivers, fat wives.
I built a "car" that weighted 200 pounds with 113hp... I'm redoing everything with the same motor this summers, once I pick up some new tools.
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Re: Should I try... (supercreed2002)
The second you hinted at a titanium frame I could tell you have no clue what your talking about. 
Unless you plan on bolting together titanium tubes to make a frame, have fun rigging up welding/scuba gear for your argon-filled 1-car garage.
Lay down the bong for a second and pick up some books and read.
Unless you plan on bolting together titanium tubes to make a frame, have fun rigging up welding/scuba gear for your argon-filled 1-car garage.
Lay down the bong for a second and pick up some books and read.
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Re: Should I try... (backpurge)
This guy can supply you your engine:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1231813
If you have money, then go for it. More rich people need to expiriment with this crap so us poor people can copy it
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1231813
If you have money, then go for it. More rich people need to expiriment with this crap so us poor people can copy it
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Re: Should I try... (jolt-tsp)
I probbly will go with aluminum tubing and sheet metal along with either fiber glass or carbon fiber body... I'm not rich, just creative. I'm also thinking about going with a 3.0L V6 sidewards Acura engine as the power plant with a future goal of twin turbos and I'm thinking of Lambo door. I'm still thinking things over right now, but would concider it a possible project to start from scratch on. I'd like to get a design under 1500 pounds with everything needed to drive down the road... If you have any helpful input, feel free to do so...
Another thing, I would be laying the fiber glassing materials myself to save cost.
Caleb
Another thing, I would be laying the fiber glassing materials myself to save cost.
Caleb
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Re: Should I try... (supercreed2002)
Youll need to learn how to use a 3d modeling software also. Its recommended to use a solid modeling program but the cheapest ones run at around $5000/user license. CAD would probly do but as well. I also am going to be doing sort of the same thing as you but I'm going to build at least the main frame. suspension points, and motor carrige out of stainless. Aluminum at these popint would just be under too much stress and you need a metal that can fatigue. Also instead of laying down alot of money for a V6 etc. Id rather lay down 1-2K for a 1000cc+ motorcycle engine. It weighs at least half as much and outputs damn close to the same power. And can still be turboed for more. Sometimes its good to design the body first so you know your physical limmits to the dimensions of your car, but when designing the fram suspension comes first. Hope this helps your thoughts a little.
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Re: Should I try... (neogenesis2004)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by neogenesis2004 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Youll need to learn how to use a 3d modeling software also. Its recommended to use a solid modeling program but the cheapest ones run at around $5000/user license. CAD would probly do but as well. I also am going to be doing sort of the same thing as you but I'm going to build at least the main frame. suspension points, and motor carrige out of stainless. Aluminum at these popint would just be under too much stress and you need a metal that can fatigue. Also instead of laying down alot of money for a V6 etc. Id rather lay down 1-2K for a 1000cc+ motorcycle engine. It weighs at least half as much and outputs damn close to the same power. And can still be turboed for more. Sometimes its good to design the body first so you know your physical limmits to the dimensions of your car, but when designing the fram suspension comes first. Hope this helps your thoughts a little.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I know how to use Inventor 8 PRO and AutoCAD... maybe not as nice as those $5000 software. Also, I'm gonna use stainless around the importunate parts like you mention. I'd rather have a turbo V6 for wow-ness and high torque, plus it's a sidemound already. Sure, I'll have to make a transfer case for the car to diliver power to all four wheels and fabracate a new shift-linkage from the cab to behind the seat area. I'll see if I can do a sketch of what I'm talking about...
Also, maybe we should stay in touch to give each other moral support, because not too many people think this is possible without spending a lot of money(Tens of thousands of dollars). Sure it may cost more than a new car, but I'd be very proud of my creative thinking... plus put all those ricer to shame!
Caleb
I know how to use Inventor 8 PRO and AutoCAD... maybe not as nice as those $5000 software. Also, I'm gonna use stainless around the importunate parts like you mention. I'd rather have a turbo V6 for wow-ness and high torque, plus it's a sidemound already. Sure, I'll have to make a transfer case for the car to diliver power to all four wheels and fabracate a new shift-linkage from the cab to behind the seat area. I'll see if I can do a sketch of what I'm talking about...
Also, maybe we should stay in touch to give each other moral support, because not too many people think this is possible without spending a lot of money(Tens of thousands of dollars). Sure it may cost more than a new car, but I'd be very proud of my creative thinking... plus put all those ricer to shame!
Caleb
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Re: Should I try... (supercreed2002)
I'll be building mine to do autocross and track racing. I plan on using a gsxr1300 engine and overbore it to 1.5L. With that kind of power at the light of a weight the car will easily do 0-60 of sub 4sec and go over 200mph. Ive seen this engine combination used before and it puts out around 250hp na, properly built of course. Turboed, that engine can put out over 350hp but thats against regulations for sports car class in most organizations. If you'd like to talk more that would be awesome. Just shoot me a PM.
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Re: Should I try... (ExploitedRacing)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ExploitedRacing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Sounds to me like your overpaying for that ****. $7500 for a 4x8 sheet of solid CF? first of all.... why would you want a solid flat sheet? its practically useless. Goto http://www.fibreglast.com and buy the raw material and lay it out by hand. Its A LOT cheaper. And why do you need solid titanium? once agian, your WAY OVERPAYING....
I bought a 7/8" SOLID 1 FOOT LONG Piece of T5 Titanium for $80.00
Your getting ripped off man.
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Go cut some flanges...
There is soo much you dont know about materials if you think that T5 ti is the ****... or if you think hand laid fiber is near as good as vac extruded honeycomb
Sounds to me like your overpaying for that ****. $7500 for a 4x8 sheet of solid CF? first of all.... why would you want a solid flat sheet? its practically useless. Goto http://www.fibreglast.com and buy the raw material and lay it out by hand. Its A LOT cheaper. And why do you need solid titanium? once agian, your WAY OVERPAYING....
I bought a 7/8" SOLID 1 FOOT LONG Piece of T5 Titanium for $80.00
Your getting ripped off man.
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Go cut some flanges...
There is soo much you dont know about materials if you think that T5 ti is the ****... or if you think hand laid fiber is near as good as vac extruded honeycomb
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Re: Should I try... (jolt-tsp)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jolt-tsp »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This guy can supply you your engine:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1231813
If you have money, then go for it. More rich people need to expiriment with this crap so us poor people can copy it </TD></TR></TABLE>
you jerk! i was gonna post that link!!! LOL
Im amazed at all these pro fabricators coming out of the wood work....yet all I see is diarrhea of the keyboard and no ******* cars built
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1231813
If you have money, then go for it. More rich people need to expiriment with this crap so us poor people can copy it
</TD></TR></TABLE>you jerk! i was gonna post that link!!! LOL
Im amazed at all these pro fabricators coming out of the wood work....yet all I see is diarrhea of the keyboard and no ******* cars built
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Re: Should I try... (Want2race)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Want2race »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Go cut some flanges...</TD></TR></TABLE>
...o..k.. 
But seriously... yea vacuum is hella better... but i would assume that for just a project car your ****** around with.. it wouldnt be a big deal.
same with the grade of TI... dont need the extreme best! at least i dont think so.
...o..k.. But seriously... yea vacuum is hella better... but i would assume that for just a project car your ****** around with.. it wouldnt be a big deal.
same with the grade of TI... dont need the extreme best! at least i dont think so.
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Re: Should I try... (Bailhatch)
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you jerk! i was gonna post that link!!! LOL
Im amazed at all these pro fabricators coming out of the wood work....yet all I see is diarrhea of the keyboard and no ******* cars built</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ya, I guess we all probably have been through the bad idea's stage. I don't think I ever posted mine though. I let my friend shooting them down be enough for me. Some people require 10+ pages of posts though
Just so I don't sound like a tard, the idea in this thread isn't really a bad one. Considering the XJ220 was about the same thing, lightweight, mid v6 twin turbo'ed (although the XJ220 did suck in the sales, so maybe it isn't a great idea). It's just something to be left to the big boys that have extra R&D money. I'd imagine 90% of everyone on here is pushing their budget just doing swaps.
you jerk! i was gonna post that link!!! LOL
Im amazed at all these pro fabricators coming out of the wood work....yet all I see is diarrhea of the keyboard and no ******* cars built</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ya, I guess we all probably have been through the bad idea's stage. I don't think I ever posted mine though. I let my friend shooting them down be enough for me. Some people require 10+ pages of posts though
Just so I don't sound like a tard, the idea in this thread isn't really a bad one. Considering the XJ220 was about the same thing, lightweight, mid v6 twin turbo'ed (although the XJ220 did suck in the sales, so maybe it isn't a great idea). It's just something to be left to the big boys that have extra R&D money. I'd imagine 90% of everyone on here is pushing their budget just doing swaps.
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Re: Should I try... (jolt-tsp)
I'm not sure why the thread creator wanted to use titanium, but if you use stainless and and fiberglass this type of build is definately within the realm of possibility. Every single racing organization that everyday people go to race at has a class for these cars. So its not like there are designs out there that you cant borrow ideas from. There are infact MANY parts for these cars that are over the counter so they dont need to be custom made. I'm sorry to hear that you don't ever post your "bad ideas" but some people actually go from insperation to the drawing board phase. I am also starting design on what I like to call a go cart (although its not). I'm not building this thing overnight mind you but that is even more the reason why your average joe could afford it. Also the poster wanted to use a large engine, I personally am going with a motorcycle engine because they are very affordable, and the power to weight ratio is just untouchable.
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Re: Should I try... (neogenesis2004)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jolt-tsp »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Ya, I guess we all probably have been through the bad idea's stage. I don't think I ever posted mine though. I let my friend shooting them down be enough for me. Some people require 10+ pages of posts though
Just so I don't sound like a tard, the idea in this thread isn't really a bad one. Considering the XJ220 was about the same thing, lightweight, mid v6 twin turbo'ed (although the XJ220 did suck in the sales, so maybe it isn't a great idea). It's just something to be left to the big boys that have extra R&D money. I'd imagine 90% of everyone on here is pushing their budget just doing swaps.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm just thinking of different materials for my "bad idea" mind you! I'd might end up with aluminum/stainless steel or all stainless....
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Want2race »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Go cut some flanges...
There is soo much you dont know about materials if you think that T5 ti is the ****... or if you think hand laid fiber is near as good as vac extruded honeycomb</TD></TR></TABLE>
...and no, I don't think ti is the snizzle, nice material for the wow-factor, but not the snizzle!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jolt-tsp »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This guy can supply you your engine:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1231813
If you have money, then go for it. More rich people need to expiriment with this crap so us poor people can copy it </TD></TR></TABLE>
Have you know, I happen to be the type of people that likes to make things happen when it seems impossible... with that said, please don't make smart-*** statements like that!
Caleb
Ya, I guess we all probably have been through the bad idea's stage. I don't think I ever posted mine though. I let my friend shooting them down be enough for me. Some people require 10+ pages of posts though
Just so I don't sound like a tard, the idea in this thread isn't really a bad one. Considering the XJ220 was about the same thing, lightweight, mid v6 twin turbo'ed (although the XJ220 did suck in the sales, so maybe it isn't a great idea). It's just something to be left to the big boys that have extra R&D money. I'd imagine 90% of everyone on here is pushing their budget just doing swaps.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm just thinking of different materials for my "bad idea" mind you! I'd might end up with aluminum/stainless steel or all stainless....
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Want2race »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Go cut some flanges...
There is soo much you dont know about materials if you think that T5 ti is the ****... or if you think hand laid fiber is near as good as vac extruded honeycomb</TD></TR></TABLE>
...and no, I don't think ti is the snizzle, nice material for the wow-factor, but not the snizzle!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jolt-tsp »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This guy can supply you your engine:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1231813
If you have money, then go for it. More rich people need to expiriment with this crap so us poor people can copy it </TD></TR></TABLE>
Have you know, I happen to be the type of people that likes to make things happen when it seems impossible... with that said, please don't make smart-*** statements like that!
Caleb
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Re: Should I try... (supercreed2002)
More power to you if you can. I always ended my posts with a slightly positive note to avoid looking too much like a jerk :-p
In the end this isn't going to be about your skill, it'll be about your wallet. If you have the money, then you'll be able to do this. It is probably best to start off building a kit first though to get a better idea of how to peice a full car together. Plus, if you can find a buyer, you can probably make a few extra dollars off the kit (like a caterham 7, superformance cobra or something like that). But ya, a lightweight car with a lot of power isn't a bad idea
In the end this isn't going to be about your skill, it'll be about your wallet. If you have the money, then you'll be able to do this. It is probably best to start off building a kit first though to get a better idea of how to peice a full car together. Plus, if you can find a buyer, you can probably make a few extra dollars off the kit (like a caterham 7, superformance cobra or something like that). But ya, a lightweight car with a lot of power isn't a bad idea
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Re: Should I try... (jolt-tsp)
I don't mean to look or sound like a jerk, but I get upset when I hear people making jokes or bashing people's ideas and dream... isn't that what we are on here for? To help each other out and make things possible? I relized that it isn't cheap and I'm not an master fabracator, but I like to make things happen.
Caleb
PS: Again, I'm sorry.
Caleb
PS: Again, I'm sorry.
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Re: Should I try... (supercreed2002)
Definitely more feasable. Have you checked out the Attack yet? Seems very similar to your idea. Something to check out if you haven't already just to see how they did theirs. http://www.k1-styling.sk/
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Re: Should I try... (jolt-tsp)
I can't believe I forgot to link this site. http://www.kimini.com Mid-engine tube frame H22 powered Mini-Cooper. Doesn't get any sick than that.