hey all at h-t, just a general question,

1. how are all your stock engines doing with a turbo setup? (as far as how long its been lasting, and running quality, and problems)

2. how are all your built engines doing with a turbo setup? (same as above info)

im asking cause my engine blew with a month old turbo setup (90% sure the piston rings,) and im wondering a used f23 or build the f23.....

seriously, thanks for all your guys's input in advance because this will help me out a ton.

 

from what ive heard, the rings are always the first to go....but i wouldnt know, cause im a poor HS student

 

anybody else?

 

build the f23

I've smoked 3 stock f23 motors - ringlands gone each time, building my original one now

 

I would build the motor. Better safe then sorry. But I've been boosted on my stock motor for almost 2 years now with no problems. The engine runs great. But the turbo needed a rebuild a month ago due to an oil leak.

I plan on building a spare block ASAP.

 

the frist time i turboed the accord it had like 170k miles on the stock f22b1 ran it for like 15k miles untuned..started smoking! so i put a used f22b1 in with like 30k miles on it. it is now at 8 psi 210 hp 220 tq running strong no blow by and 190 accross the board

take car of your **** dont do stupid stuff and it will last.

 

That's a genral rule of thumb for honda pistons. The ring landings usually want to go when you start to make decent power or want to start to make decent power. So build the block with good ****.

 

thanks for all the help guys, im now starting my build on the f23! thanks again

 

Tuning is key when getting a turbo honda to run right. Anyone can throw a turbo on and run around untuned but if you want it to last then have some serious dyno time and get a person that really knows what they are doing to tune it for you.

 

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Like this guy said, as long as you have the car properly tuned, you can run upwards of 10psi through stock internals all day long

 

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take car of your **** dont do stupid stuff and it will last.</TD></TR></TABLE>

true. I've been boosting for a little over a year & 20k+ miles and still running strong. In fact, just put 400+ miles on her this weekend for Mom's day.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TxTuner &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Like this guy said, as long as you have the car properly tuned, you can run upwards of 10psi through stock internals all day long </TD></TR></TABLE>

that's an incorrect blanket statement there. 10 psi on a 16G turbo is not equal to 10 psi on an SC61. Run 10 psi daily on an SC61 (well tuned of course) on a stock F series and see how long it lasts.

 

Mine's just fine, thanks for asking!

(10psi, eagle rods, cp pistons, acl bearings, arp head studs, stock copper coated gasket)

 

sounds like it's time to turn up the wick Dennis!!

edit: what engine is yours? F22 or F23? I didn't think ACL made bearings for the F-series? Got a link to the ones you got?? Still waiting for my rods, might as well upgrade everything while it's out...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by notoriousB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sounds like it's time to turn up the wick Dennis!!

edit: what engine is yours? F22 or F23? I didn't think ACL made bearings for the F-series? Got a link to the ones you got?? Still waiting for my rods, might as well upgrade everything while it's out...</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's a 94/95 F22, which uses the same bearings from the same year H22's. If you have an F23, I *believe* those have 55mm mains and you may need to use the H22 bearings form the newer H22's. DON=' QUOTE ME THOUGH, I may have it all backwards.

For example, on Kteller.com (plug for good seller) site, he lists bearings for:
92-97 F/H Series ACL Bearing Kit - http://www.kteller.com/store/p...d/172
98+ F/H Series ACL Bearing Kit - http://www.kteller.com/store/p...d/442

Anyways, short story on my build is that I used some wrong deck height numbers when I had my CP's made, so my compression is upwards of about 11:1 based on my calculations. So even though I'm running 10psi, my ignition timing is heavily retarded to make up for it. It's fast, but not as fast as I want. I'm alleviating all this by buying some f22 length rods (141.5mm) and replacing the h22 rods I have now (143mm). This will put me back down to about 9.5:1 compression. From there, I turn up the wick

 

ACL makes bearing's for the F series. Thats what I'm currently running. And a hell of alot cheaper then factory at the same quaility.

 

thank you both!! That's an awesome link D, I'll probably order me a set today to match up with my missing rods that are taking Crower decades to make...

OT: I've never understood how ACL bearings are "magically" the right size, when Honda offers so many different ones, you guys have any input on that?? (not trying to thread jack here.. sorry)

 

They're not magical, but they work for the majority I'd say. You still want to measure. I think someone told me they're the equiv of Honda green? (like usual, don't quote me unless I say to

http://www.c-speedracing.com/h...s.php - decent write up on measuring bearing clearances

 

i have been boosted since january, about 3000 miles so far. runs like a top, now problems at all, knock on wood. my turbo leaks a little oil but i will be replacing that this summer.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dennis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They're not magical, but they work for the majority I'd say.</TD></TR></TABLE>

sounds good to me, my crank's in excellent condition... I have plastigauge at the ready but wasn't sure about what bearings to go with or to even possibly re-use the old bearings (they APPEAR to be in excellent shape, haven't measured yet). For $99 I may as well go ahead w/ the magic ACLs now, WTF is $99 at this point... (rolls eyes)

called AGAIN about my rods this morning, seems they've been on order with crower since FEB 21st. Still no true ETA. I'm getting really pissed....

oh and 10 psi @ 11:1??? You sir are a balla!! craziness!!

 

Any of you guys boosted have an f23a4? I'm getting suspension, wheels, and a little brake upgrade and then I plain on saving up for a build, any recommendations ?

 

what to do if there are no good tuners around (or no tuners at all?)?

honest question, not asshating