i want 2 put an h22a in my 95 accord ex or should i build up the f22b1 thats in it? my gf and I got it for $3600.00 it already has 3a racing exhaust and i dont know the name of the cold air intake and new paint job plz help im a newb (rice sprout)

 

When you say build up the f22. What do you mean?

How much money are you willing to spend? How much power do you want?

 

Like Bionic said, it all depends on what you're willing to spend. If you get a stage 1 turbo from a site like http://www.turbokits.com it'll be a little more than an H22a with installation. However, if reliability's not an issue than I'd get the compression checked on the engine and if it's good then get a turbo and boost it around 6-8PSI. Then play around with it until you're satisfied. If you want something reliable I'd get an H22a, obviously make sure it's in good shape and the place where you get is credible. Hopefully that helped a bit.

 

I wouldnt turbo a Honda motor without fully building the internals. This along with the turbo set-up will be much more than an H22 and a lot less reliable. IMO go with an all-motor H22 swap.

 

You're not entirely correct TOP, an engine which has been taken cared of and has good compression can handle 6-8PSI which is around 50-75hp. if not more

 

by building it up i mean i want 225-250 whp on the f22b1. i was thinkin header then wrap the exhaust for heat retension,put in a chip, polish the intake or buy a performance 1 (any brand suggestions?) and get some injectors and a better fuel pump. im not really lookin to go turbo just yet.....yet that is.

 

Sounds good to me, you'll get about 25-30hp with those upgrades.

 

u guys forgot to tell him the importance of suspension. wuts all that power good with shitty suspension/handling. also upgrade the clutch wen u get past around 200whp ish

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by davendonna &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">by building it up i mean i want 225-250 whp on the f22b1. i was thinkin header then wrap the exhaust for heat retension,put in a chip, polish the intake or buy a performance 1 (any brand suggestions?) and get some injectors and a better fuel pump. im not really lookin to go turbo just yet.....yet that is. </TD></TR></TABLE>

intake, exhaust, header, chip, and other bolt ons will cost over 1400 bux just for about 30-35 hp. might as well spend another couple hundred bux to build ur own turbo kit and boost it baby!

 

ok, so you get your 200 hp at the wheels... how fast are you then? 16's,maybe 15's?14's at the max ( i doubt it)
why dont you just start out with a car thats already that fast,or faster? i understand wanting the car you have to be fast,but ive been part of engine swaps and buildups for several years and if you dont know how to do it..it costs $$$$ to pay someone else to do it.

i know im probably gonna get flamed for this and i might get kicked for speaking out against imports (which i have nothing against, i love my 96 accord ex) but you can pick ya up a late 80's early 90's 5.0 mustang and be in the 13's with just slicks ,diff gear ratio,being able to drive a stick. or heck, any of the camaro's and firebirds with the v8 will run low 13's (seens 12's) with nothing but tires(and being able to drive). ( i hate chevy's) and thats without anything..then just buy a 500 buck nitrous kit and...heheh oh boy

id rather spend 4 grand and pick up a toy than mess with my daily driver. though, those cars are not as nice as your accord (and mine).

but if thats not your thing,then put a turbo and do an engine swap or whatever.

so go ahead pple,flame me. dont mean to offend,just making a statement,because i guess i just dont understand yet. maybe one day.......

P.S. ive seen those 1/4 mile times with my own eyes,im not quoting from mags and i have a 13.8 second stang w/slicks and gears.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mac_24_seven &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok, so you get your 200 hp at the wheels... how fast are you then? 16's,maybe 15's?14's at the max ( i doubt it)
why dont you just start out with a car thats already that fast,or faster? i understand wanting the car you have to be fast,but ive been part of engine swaps and buildups for several years and if you dont know how to do it..it costs $$$$ to pay someone else to do it.

i know im probably gonna get flamed for this and i might get kicked for speaking out against imports (which i have nothing against, i love my 96 accord ex) but you can pick ya up a late 80's early 90's 5.0 mustang and be in the 13's with just slicks ,diff gear ratio,being able to drive a stick. or heck, any of the camaro's and firebirds with the v8 will run low 13's (seens 12's) with nothing but tires(and being able to drive). ( i hate chevy's) and thats without anything..then just buy a 500 buck nitrous kit and...heheh oh boy

id rather spend 4 grand and pick up a toy than mess with my daily driver. though, those cars are not as nice as your accord (and mine).

but if thats not your thing,then put a turbo and do an engine swap or whatever.

so go ahead pple,flame me. dont mean to offend,just making a statement,because i guess i just dont understand yet. maybe one day.......

P.S. ive seen those 1/4 mile times with my own eyes,im not quoting from mags and i have a 13.8 second stang w/slicks and gears.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hm....wen i was at 130 hp at the crank i hit 15.9. at sac raceway....on shitty tires and a full tank.......... 200 Whp is low 14s (in a accord). either im a really good driver which im not or your a shitty one

 

15.9 in your dx accord?? i dont see how an extra 80 -100 hp is going to drop my accord (96 ex 5 spd) into the low 14's,since its a high 16 to low 17 second car now.
frankly, i dont believe you.
loser

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mac_24_seven &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">15.9 in your dx accord?? i dont see how an extra 80 -100 hp is going to drop my accord (96 ex 5 spd) into the low 14's,since its a high 16 to low 17 second car now.
frankly, i dont believe you.
loser
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***, youre the loser, check around this board (if you havent yet since ur new) and use the search and type in "accord times" and there are a lot of threads about accord times. youll see either your car sucks for some reason or you are a bad driver. my first ever run at sac raceway was 16.7 test n tune, i mishited 2nd
you can eat my *** if you odnt believe me mac247 haha

 

ill just post you some cause im so nice
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1098712
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=951145
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=728345 (97f22b2 ran 16 flat with intake and exhaust)
enuff said...bitch

 

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You won't get that much to the wheels with those light mods. If you want 250 whp in a F22, espcially N/A, you need a lot more work, and for the same price you will have a boosted accord that easily exceeds 250.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mac_24_seven &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">15.9 in your dx accord?? i dont see how an extra 80 -100 hp is going to drop my accord (96 ex 5 spd) into the low 14's,since its a high 16 to low 17 second car now.
frankly, i dont believe you.
loser
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People hit low 15's to high 14's in their accords once they install a H22. Now a H22 puts about 160-170 hp to the wheels. Now if you modify the engine to 200whp, you will see high 14's to mid 14's, and maybe even low 14's.

I would say that low 14's is achievable.

 

i do think its funny how pple get so pissed when ya step on there toes. geez.

im goin by what ive read on diff times from the factory(diff sites on the net,stock 1/4 miles times).. ive never ran my accord on the track nor will i ever..
!!!!!THATS NOT WHAT THE CAR IS FOR!!!!!
its a sweet lil ride that gets great gas mileage and is comfy,a family car.period.
if ya wanna make somethin fast,do it to something that you dont have to do an engine swap to or add a freakin turbo to just get into the 14's.im mean come on!!! i hate the thought of having to spend 2 grand to get into the 14's!!!or have to swap an engine?!!

i think its a waste. BUT, if you want something different,be my guest.

if ALL your aspiring to in your buildup of a car is low 14's all the way down to low 13's.....wow. you just have at it.
i
and as far as the links to the times????? &lt;laughs&gt; you really proved me wrong. boy are modified accords blistering fast...15's with a turbo? 15's with nitrous???and engine swap w/bolt ons running high 14's???

please.
drive your accord stock and be happy with good gas mileage. i am.

 

sorry jonny05 i dont have the stock exhaust it came with a 3A racing exhaust and i forgot to mention earlier alteeza tail lights (i think i spelt that right)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mac_24_seven &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i do think its funny how pple get so pissed when ya step on there toes. geez.

im goin by what ive read on diff times from the factory(diff sites on the net,stock 1/4 miles times).. ive never ran my accord on the track nor will i ever..
!!!!!THATS NOT WHAT THE CAR IS FOR!!!!!
its a sweet lil ride that gets great gas mileage and is comfy,a family car.period.
if ya wanna make somethin fast,do it to something that you dont have to do an engine swap to or add a freakin turbo to just get into the 14's.im mean come on!!! i hate the thought of having to spend 2 grand to get into the 14's!!!or have to swap an engine?!!

i think its a waste. BUT, if you want something different,be my guest.

if ALL your aspiring to in your buildup of a car is low 14's all the way down to low 13's.....wow. you just have at it.
i
and as far as the links to the times????? &lt;laughs&gt; you really proved me wrong. boy are modified accords blistering fast...15's with a turbo? 15's with nitrous???and engine swap w/bolt ons running high 14's???

please.
drive your accord stock and be happy with good gas mileage. i am.
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seems to me that you are into building hondas for the wrong reason. i dont build my car so it can be fast. i build it because thats what i like to do. making it faster is just a plus. and an engine swap in an accord with bolt ons should hit high 13s with a good driver. and if you will never be interested in running ur accord on the track why do you even bother looking at the specs
i say **** you thats the end.

and for the original poster. IMO u should first consider taking some autox cause itll help you with ur dirving skills. then work on suspension and wheels and a new clutch so can help you get that new power on the ground. dont listen to MAC or wutever his name is, he says hes been building motors for years but has never been to the track . just keep hvaing fun with the car. keep it stock for a while so you can get the feel of the car, how it drives. etc....... just have fun then take it to the next level.

for motor swap make sure you get an OBD1 motor, its good that u have a 95 so u dont have to worry about rewireing the harnesses. i have a 96 and i ahve to buy a conversion kit. just make sure to save some extra money for gaskets and fluids and all the other stuff. its a good thing to do a comp check before u buy the motor (if its not frm a company) to amke sure its in good shape for wutever plans u have. and if u get it done at a shop make sure its a credable one because swapping motors can be pretty tricky. good luck

now on for turbo....if u plan on boosting the f22b1..well, its a good thing. f series have iron sleeves so they are boost crazy. with a good tuner u can run 10psi everyday without a problem, but keep in mine 10psi on one a t66 turbocharger is different frmo lets say a sc34. if u search a ht member named "PatDemps" had a good write up on his milano red dc2 gsr-t. u can learn a lot form his posts. the average stock accord turbod is about 220-245 hp. so good luck.

i dont know everything about cars but this is wut ive accumulated. pm with any question.


Modified by jonny05 at 4:38 PM 4/14/2005

 

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id rather spend 4 grand and pick up a toy than mess with my daily driver. though, those cars are not as nice as your accord (and mine).</TD></TR></TABLE>

I definitely see where you're coming from, I've said similar things before (without pissing off that many ppl!). Everyone has their hobby, and everyone has a different reason for beefing up their car. But without a doubt he is right (though not on the times, and Ford sucks ***)...it takes less money to make a fast car hell-a-fast than to make a family car with some get up faster. On a large V8 you get exhaust for a few hundred $$$ and there's an instant 30+ hp, you ain't gonna see that kind of consistant hp per dollar ratio on a honda anytime soon. I ain't dissing either one, I for one like my gas mileage but I don't mind having some power when I need it.

That's my .02 cuz I see both sides...no haters here!

 

As you said Mac, an Accord is a family car/coupe. Personally, I know a few people who have boosted 6th gen accords running in the high to mid 14's. I know this guy who has a 4-dr Accord running 14.7's on street tires and he's only running 8PSI of boost. Granted that isn't extremely fast, however the car is no slouch either. I have a 6th gen couple myself and I love it, just because it's probably a low 16 car doesn't mean it's not capable of more power. People would buy a domestic if they wanted to, domestics aren't all they're cracked out to be. IMO, the only worthy domestic "muscle cars" that are currently out there for under 50k is the new corvette/mustang. The rest pretty much suck. If dave wanted advice on how to make a DOMINATING DOMESTIC SO fast then he'd ask, I'm pretty sure he wanted info on an H22/a 95 accord. Valiant atttempt

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mac_24_seven &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i do think its funny how pple get so pissed when ya step on there toes. geez.

im goin by what ive read on diff times from the factory(diff sites on the net,stock 1/4 miles times).. ive never ran my accord on the track nor will i ever..
!!!!!THATS NOT WHAT THE CAR IS FOR!!!!!
its a sweet lil ride that gets great gas mileage and is comfy,a family car.period.
if ya wanna make somethin fast,do it to something that you dont have to do an engine swap to or add a freakin turbo to just get into the 14's.im mean come on!!! i hate the thought of having to spend 2 grand to get into the 14's!!!or have to swap an engine?!!

i think its a waste. BUT, if you want something different,be my guest.

if ALL your aspiring to in your buildup of a car is low 14's all the way down to low 13's.....wow. you just have at it.
i
and as far as the links to the times????? &lt;laughs&gt; you really proved me wrong. boy are modified accords blistering fast...15's with a turbo? 15's with nitrous???and engine swap w/bolt ons running high 14's???

please.
drive your accord stock and be happy with good gas mileage. i am.
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It's very difficult to read this. When I checked the profile, I was very surprised to find that the user is 23 years old. Were you educated in the states? If so, what part of the country.

 

suspension is in the plans. any sugestions?

 

screw u mac any wrench monkey can make a v-8 go fast MR.Dumass. it takes brains and skill and lets not 4get $$$ 2 get a 4 banger as fast a mustang so plz......go hassle ur gear head butt buddy and stfu!!!.....plz


Modified by davendonna at 1:48 PM 4/15/2005

 

thank you jonny05. i used work at AWC (auto warehouse co.) drivin new hondas around the dock(after the long-shore-men took them off the boat,poor cars i reely felt for them ) and loading them onto trains for shipment to dealers also at an auto auction for a couple years....so i LOVE driving.never been to the track tho sumday soon hopefully this honda will be there with me. again thk u for the advise and I WILL do this right,i dont like wasteing my money