I was just wondering which would be more reliable and also powerful. LS/Vtec or a GSR. Iam also not sure what head Id like to put onto the LS if thats the way I decide to go.

 

gsr would be the most reliable and you wouldnt have to build it

 

true, but all i hear is how sick ls/vtecs are

 

What are your goals? Are you building the internals? For LS/Vtec, which head would you use, what pistons? Etc?

 

yes i play on building the internals and all. Im not sure what head I am going to use. Have any suggestions?

 

pistions i was either gonna get a set of ITRs or JE with eagle or crower rods.

 

gsr

 

yea i think i mght be convinced

 

I have heard how the tolerences in all motor set-ups make them sorta unreliable. Whats that about?

 

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With your name, I thought you'd say different

Some JE's with Eagle's sound like a plan man. If you can get the GSR for just as cheap as the LS/Vtec I'd go for the GSR, but if not then get the LS block, slap in those pistons/rods and then on goes the Vtec head

 

only reason you hear how "sick" ls/vtec's are is because it's cheaper from the start. plus a ls/vtec can be a monster only if you build it right (well so can a gsr) .

 

my buddy said ls/vtec are good if you build them properly, if not you wont last to long before you spina bearing? This will be a daily driver so im also looking at reliability here.

 

people like to do the ls/vtecs for the extra displacement, why not just bore the geezer

 

Just build a GSR probably more reliable and a little cheaper.

 

I plan on boring the "geezer" out.

hows 84 mm over sound?

http://www.teamrice.org

 

team rice has sick cars...props to their team

 

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hows 84 mm over sound?

http://www.teamrice.org</TD></TR></TABLE> Hopefully you don't use stock sleeves with the 84mm bore.

 

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B16 or Type R is the way to go

 

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In the end, you'll end up spending an assload on both, yield similar power numbers, and one will be just as reliable as the next depending on how you treat and maintain it, just like anything else.

 

I have a GSR in my civic and the only problems it has had are the ones I've caused. I know two guys who have had LS-VTEC and both have spun a bearing. LS-Vtec is also prone to leaks, which I have witnessed first hand. Honda never intended this to happen, thats why so many people fail to build one correctly. But if you must build one, get a shop to build it right. But I definitely give them a

 

if u do build this LS/VTEC, make sure u get the following parts:

GSR or type R crank girdle
get the LS crank balanced and micropolished
Type R Oil Pump

with those components, u should have a strong motor. good luck

 

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wrong.

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thats true with any motor.

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they arent all that cheap.

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reliability will be the same, assuming both motor were built correctly. all this 'lsvtecs are less reliable for XXXXX reason' is just BS. the only reason they get the bad name is because people build them incorrectly, or half-assed. no motor will run well if you do that.

my personal opinion would be to go with the lsvtec for several reason; i think building a motor is fun, you learn alot, you can do small things here and there to make more power. on the other hand, if you juts want to throw a motor in your can and not have to worry about it at all, go with the stock gsr. you really have to decide for yourself.

here are a few links to get you started, but please search. when reading through, if someone says something but cant/doesnt give a reason, i would be skeptical on their advice. alot of the responses you have gotten so far have either been an opinion, or just wrong. good luck.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=974157
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=847262
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=800999
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=546070
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=330387

 

93gsrcoupe, where do you get your info?? LsVtec's leak?? If your an idiot and install the head gasket or oil line wrong, of course its going to leak. The same goes for a type r motor. It all depends on your mechanical skills. And you do not need a shop to do it right. All it takes is a little reading and about 5% of your brain. Plus when you build it yourself, that engine's got Soul. Your racing "your" engine and not someone else's engine that was built for you. Also, the satisfaction you get from doing it yourself is awesome. As for LsVtec's blowing up, it seems to me that there are just as many GSR's and Type R's blowing up, usually due to modified internals. For example, if you were to take 5 GSR's and 5 LsVtec's and modify all of them with internals, there would be equal numbers of GSR's blowing up as LsVtec's. The cause?? Installation error or abuse(overreving). Obviously your GSR is not going to blow if its stock and never been tampered with. But wheres the fun in that??

 

ls/vtec, its alright.ive built and help built a few for my boys b4 and i must say them motors got major potential but not reliable.me,personally,i wouldnt invest no $ in no ls vtec base on....no disrespect to all u ls vtec fan though... GSR BABY!!!!!!

 

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did you mean to say your si hatch had a gsr?