Ok, so before anyone yells at me for not doing a search, my question may not seem terribly justified. Ok, First, I just bought koni yellow shocks, and eibach pro-kit springs. I looked into the Toe vs. Camber posts, and read all the opinions, posts, etc. I know I can survive without a camber correction kit, and definitely am going to get the alignment fixed. My problem is, I already have a bit of negative camber on my rear wheels for some reason... Front's good, but I had a minor accident (See other posts for lil more info). I'm kind of poor, so I can't afford to get new tires every season. Oh, btw, I have stock wheels still, so crappy tires is all. uhh.. yeah, so the question is, should I consider the washer trick, or go with full on camber conversion? Oh, and is $350 too much to pay to have it installed? Thanks for feedback! -ekzrated

edit! I noticed my mistake! I meant Camber correction!-ekzrated


Modified by ekzrated at 9:48 AM 3/19/2005

 

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i don't understand what you mean. those things are unrelated in the way you are asking the question.
the washer trick is for helping to correct negative camber. in essence, it is a camber kit. maybe you'd like to revise or rephrase your question.

and as far as the price, shop around and ask different shops what they charge. i dunno, i never paid anyone to do that.

 

yea rephrase your question, those things are unrelated. Also i would recommend just installing them yourself. Its not that hard at all and you save a lot of money that way. Check team-integra.net in their articles section under projects. They have a full writeup on how to install new shocks and springs, very simple once you see it yourself, nothing but loosening bolts.

 

erm.. uh, ok. well, my question really is, should I shell out that much $$$ to get it installed? I don't have the right tools to do it myself, mostly don't have a way to raise the car... Secondly, I'm not too sure on how to do the alignment myself... which is why I'm considering paying to do it... so I guess the questions are is it worth the $$$ and should I go with a camber kit? Sorry for the confusion-ekzrated

 

as long as you have your honda jack in your trunk/hatch, you have a way to lift the car, but if you dont have the right tools, (and it sounds like you're uncomfortable doing it yourself), you should just pay for someone to do it. Shop around first of course.

as far as the alignment goes, you can't really do that yourself anyways unless you have a rack, so you should definatly pay for someone to do that as well.

good luck.

 

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You may not have the right tools, but maybe you have some friends that do. The only thing that they may not have is a spring compressoer which can be rented at most part stores. The only way I learned, was to do it myself with a friends help. It sure took a hell of a lot longer, but it was free and fun and I learn alot. That was years ago on a crx, but now with my newer cars, I know how to do it all by myself and in less than 2 hours too. As far as a camber kit goes, I'd buy a front camber kit on ebay. You can get a front skunk2 kit for around 165 which is pretty good. They have kits for alot cheaper too depending on what your looking for. You dont need a rear kit. Washers will work in the rear, but bring it to an alignment shop for that and call around to see if any have delt with lowered hondas. If you cant find one, any shop will do, but make sure you get a print out of the before and after alignment to see exactly what was changed. If you get lucky and find a shop that has experience with lowered hondas/cars whatever, they will provide the best setup for your ride. Good Luck!

 

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Oh, and I would never pay 350 for an install.

 

have you experienced increased tirewear with your neg camber on your rear wheels? you should notice when you rotate your tires.

negative camber has been proven to do marginally little extra wear on tires. the thing that people call "camber wear" is actually "toe wear." when the toe is out of factory spec, this will eat up your tires. your tires will not wear out to the point of getting new tires every year with negative camber. it just looks a little goofy with the tires tilting in like that.

$350 is way too much to have shocks and springs installed. gather up a few friends who know something about cars/tegs or ask a few people in your area on HT or other forums to help you with this install. it takes 5-6 hours to complete and is very easy. i installed my prokit and kyb agx shocks in about 5 hours with the help of a friend. if you need a guide as to how to install, i can give you a link.

as 1sikteg said, you could use a spring compressor. or you could just place the spring/shock assembly on the floor, and have someone stand on it while you (also standing on it) loosen the top nut above the shock hat. it's a little scary and suspenseful loosening that nut but it's still easy if you cant find a spring compressor.

i would also suggest that you shell out the money to get actually camber kits and hold off on installing the springs and shocks till you have that money. if ýou're really that paranoid about camber wear aka toe wear, you can wait to properly install stuff on your car. better to do it right later than to do it wrong now and go back and fix stuff later.

 

For the spring/shock install, just get some extra hands and set off a day or two to install it. Here's a thread that has some good info on it: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1106020

As for the alignment, I'm going to say just go to a shop and get it done. I got mine done for $40 dollars.

And once you do get an alignment done, a camber kit will not be necessary. On my rear tires, I have -1.8 and -2.0, and the tires have been wearing evenly.

 

Listen to yourmom, he know what hes talking about. It will probably take you about 6 hours, thats how long it took me my first time. I only did it in 2 hours because I have access to a lift and power tools. Good luck bro!

 

Once again, thanks for the feedback. I managed to get the front installed, but had to wait on the rear, since the place I bought them from sent me the wrong set for the rear. I should be getting them on Wednsday, so we'll see. I have a feeling I won't need to adjust the camber for the front, and I'm going to go with the washer trick for the rear. Even with just the front, my teggy handles a million times better.. its awesome! -ekzrated

 

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i remember changing the springs on my civic for the first time, took me 30 mins to remove the old strut and spring assembly. next was to remove the spring from the strut. lol I couldn't get the top hat off because the nut kept spinning the center of the strut. Took it to autozone and the guy was like oh you need an allen wrench to hold the center down. 3 hours later I was cruising at 2 inch drop.

 

Do not pay 350 just for the install. Thats a ripoff. I paid only $80 for a reputable, good shop, to install my shocks and springs. Probably would've been only slightly more if I had them do camber kit at the same time.

And I got my alignment done with my lifetime alignment at Discount Tires

 

do it yourself.....

I was in Park City a few weeks ago (for Sundance)...I would have helped you.

If you can find a shop that charges about $40 per corner, thats a decent price


good luck with the rear