I want to know the proper way of shifting gear w/o using the clutch....i know there are racers out there use this technique to save time. All i know about this technique is controling the rpm....
I've try to search but i dont know what to search under and cant find anything....thanks...

 

use the clutch. dont rush the shifts. be nice to your gearbox

 

You revmatch.

Pull it into neutral, blip blip, and jam into the new gear.

Downshifting in Honda's is easy with no cluch, up, is harder.

Either way unless your 100% perfect everytime those little wussy helical gears are gonna be screamin, and wont last too long.

Thats what big manly straight cut dog gears are for.

 

First, learn how to drive so you can save more time in other aspects of your driving. Then try to save more time with your car through weight reduction and setup.

 

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Pull it into neutral, blip blip, and jam into the new gear.

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what you mean by blip blip???

and yea i know i shouldnt rush things, but i just want to know....there's no harm on knowing more techniques

 

It's really not all that hard, but it is a lot slower than using the clutch. As you are lifting to start the shift while in gear you can slip the transmission into neutral without the clutch very smoothly. When the falling rpm's of the motor match the rpm's of the flywheel you can just slip it into the next gear. Be aware that if you are wrong about matching rpm's it makes REALLY ugly sounds. Now in a race car with straight cut gears or on a motorcycle clutchless shifting RULES! On a bike you just preload the shifter then roll the throttle off and on quickly. The bike will shift gears like buttah, and way fast too.

On a side note clutchless shifting can be a useful skill to have. I usually don't use the clutch as I roll to a stop, I just slip the trans out of gear. I figure it may save a little wear on the throwout bearing over a couple of years. Also, if you ever break a clutch cable you can still get the car home (or to the pits) at a reasonable speed. YMMV, practice at your (and your transmissions) own risk.

 

yeah, if your clutch ever goes out you can get it to your destination. It is only a PITA to get the car into first without the clutch, and reverse.

 

Read Dave Coleman's column (Technobabble) in this month's Sport Compact Car. It tells you how to use that method, and why not to.

 

Carroll Smith gives a pretty good description in "Drive to Win". It's actually easier in a street car w/ sychros, as a slight amount of pressure towards the right gear from neutral, will literally suck it in as the revs drop through the correct range. You're not really gaining much edge, though, on a street tranny. I've tried both w/ and w/o clutching (and even double clutching), on the track, and if you've got your shifting down smooth, there isn't really any advantage to shifting w/o. Double clutching, however, is a great way to take care of your tranny, it's just a bitch to get right, till you get used to it.

As Underdog says, it's useful to at least know how to clutchless-shift, even if you don't use it regularly. It can mean the difference between having to drop out of a race early due to a broken clutch line, or duking it out to the end.

 

thats how i usually drive... w/o the clutch.. most of the time i only use it to start off. practice makes perfect.. give me about 20 mins driving damn near any car and i can go up and down through the gears w/o the clutch and not grind a gear or have it make any funny noises.. smooth like butta

 

just did a 3.5 hour enduro WITHOUT the use of the clutch....4th and 5th gear...had to push the car out of the pits to have enough momentum....

it's easy....just gotta know how to dirve

 

EF_89Civic's next thread topic: My transmission is making funny noises...

 

http://g-speed.com/pbh/double-clutch.html

old mails i collected from national autox mailing list backing 1994. has all the info. nsxprime has a good article on clutchless shifting. i finally restored PBH/YAHP last month...

 

first buy a new transmission, then another, then another, ok, now after about $1500-$2000 you can start to try something that may save you about .1 sec. a lap if done properly.

 

"...That brings us to the O'Neil shift. Tim O'Neil preaches the gospel of left foot braking at his rally school, but when it comes time to downshift under braking, there is a serious shortage of feet on the pedals. Don't even think you're going to pull off some heel-toe maneuver with your left foot on the brake and clutch. Your orthopedic surgeon will never forgive you.
In detail, an O'Neil shift goes like this: Brake in a straight line, ease off the brakes momentarily, turn the wheel, tickle the brake pedal again to make the front tires bite and get the tail sliding. Then, as you're balancing the slide with the throttle and brake, wait for the precise moment you don't need the throttle to keep from hitting a tree or boulder or driving off a cliff, and feather the throttle for a fraction of a second. In this moment of freedom, slide the shifter up toward the next lowest gear, and roll into the throttle exactly the right amount to bring the shafts into sync as the shifter hits home. Blammo. Just like that you're down a gear and powering out of the corner in a cloud of dirt, gravel and glory without ever touching the clutch.
An O'Neil shift is something you do when winning means more to you then the bills for what you'll break if you don't do it right. I've managed two or three O'Neil shifts in my life, all mere accidents when my overwhelmed cranium forgot to tell my left foot to step on the clutch. At the top of his game, Tim O'Neil used to be able to get it right just often enough that he didn't need a new transmission untill the end of the rally...."
-Dave Coleman
Sport Compact Car
April 2005, Volume 17, No. 04

 

Hmmm, reminds me of my 180 mile drive home from Road Atlanta last December when the spring window to my new clutch fractured at a Panoz track day and I drove 180 miles home from Road Atlanta to Birmingham with no clutch. Upshifting is the easy part. Downshifting is where you have to get it right.

Barry H.

 

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...and how many of us on this board fall into this demographic? I mean, on purpose?

 

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lol..please dont jinks me....
thanks for all the information.....you guy made it seem it's a easy technique to proform...but i know it's not a one chance deal and i get it...So the main idea is to revmatch every time i want to put into a new gear....right?

 

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^this is the guy that was drifting a volvo wagon throuhg an autox sourse last weekend. A Volvo with 4 different wheels and I don't want to know how many different colored body panels.