wassup guys/gals,

I'm having some serious NA withdrawls since I went turbo with the R. I love turbo and have yet to get my final tune, but I feel like I should have left it NA. I know the Type R wasn't meant for turbo, but I made it into a redheaded stepchild turbo monster and the feeling to turn everything back NA again is on my mind. Maybe it's just the cold season thats bothering me, but what do guys think?

 

like they say "once you go black....you never go back"

 

I have recently been debating whether or not to boost my R. I have seen some pretty impressive #'s on N/A R's lately and boosting scares me in terms of reliability. If you've put a lot of time and effort towards your turbo set-up and are just waiting for the final tune I'd say keep it boosted. Just my $0.02

 

I'd say stay boosted, you'll def. miss the torque if you go to NA.

 

my honest opinion? if you want NA & torqure, sell the R and get a E46 M3.

 

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I will never sell my Intega Type R, me love her long time.

 

if you were to sell your turbo components and use the money to rebuild your block to 2.0L specs with nice forged internals you would have a very nice and reliable setup WITH some torque.

obviously youll never make the same power you do with boost but just consider this...

on BBC's motoring show Top Gear ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/ ) they once said that a FWD car shouldnt have more than 240bhp. this comment was made after driving a saab 95 on their test track so you can take that however you like.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JOHN WAYNE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you were to sell your turbo components and use the money to rebuild your block to 2.0L specs with nice forged internals you would have a very nice and reliable setup WITH some torque.

obviously youll never make the same power you do with boost but just consider this...

on BBC's motoring show Top Gear ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/ ) they once said that a FWD car shouldnt have more than 240bhp. this comment was made after driving a saab 95 on their test track so you can take that however you like.</TD></TR></TABLE>

For a long time people have been speculating on the theoretical HP limit that a FF layout could handle well...

 

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For a long time people have been speculating on the theoretical HP limit that a FF layout could handle well...</TD></TR></TABLE>

incidentally the guys on Top Gear rave about the EP3 CTR and i believe that it is the fastest FF car around their track so far.

 

winters almost over, get your final tune then make up your mind. you came this far, id get the final tune and enjoy it then decide, because then the question will always be there "i wonder what id would be like if i got that final tune?"

 

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I wonder the same question as well, I just feel that I went against what the R was meant for.

 

sacrifice maximum hp and big boost for 0 turbo lag. get that boost on tap as early as possible and don't make it a peaky dyno queen. basically make it act like a NA or supercharged car.

 

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I wonder the same question as well, I just feel that I went against what the R was meant for.</TD></TR></TABLE>

in all reality u did go agaisnt type r, type r is made for high comp high rpm torque, not low comp big boost. i love the feeling of boost dont get me wrong( i still cant get over the feeling of a friends STI rex with big boost, not 2 mention i eat it anyday) but u gotta decide what u want, personally id prefer my r to run higher comp (talking 13:1) and not have to deal with stupid over heating and other problems turbos create.

my 2 cents, but create goals and make decisions, u'll decide whats best ( but i sure as hell no that i wouldn wanna melt my r pistons bcos i decide to move from 6 to 12 psi)

 

i drove my na-R hatch last night and it was so refreshing...

but I :heart: my turbo R.....

just get a light beater and run that NA... best of both worlds.

 

hard to beat the relyabulity of the na set up...

 

actually a mild turbo car will beat it quite easily. running a small turbo, neptune, 550cc's, walbro 255, and other minor mods will easily get you 230-280whp with no ill effects, and will romp on anything but a fully built monster NA car, and even then it will be a very close match.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SecretAgent &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">actually a mild turbo car will beat it quite easily. running a small turbo, neptune, 550cc's, walbro 255, and other minor mods will easily get you 230-280whp with no ill effects, and will romp on anything but a fully built monster NA car, and even then it will be a very close match.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i'm going for 350-400hp and I have a beater 92 cx. I just love that high compression NA feel, but I think the reality is I'm wondering about reliability. I also plan to track it every once and a while too.

 

I have been comtimplating going to the dark side but have kept it away from the R for the fear of ruining its track ability
plus even though my dyno numbers are low being NA I can still hang with my friends cars that are higher with turbo
NO LAG OWNS! Muahahhah
&lt;---figures he has spent enough on his NA setup to have turboed by now

 

Flame on for saying this but...

It's not about power, it's all about balance. And an ITR is probably the most perfectly balanced FWD NA car ever.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RisforTypeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Flame on for saying this but...

It's not about power, it's all about balance. And an ITR is probably the most perfectly balanced FWD NA car ever.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i agree

 

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It's not about power, it's all about balance. And an ITR is probably the most perfectly balanced FWD NA car ever.</TD></TR></TABLE>

someone coulndt have said that better

 

"The type R is made for this, the type r is made for that..."

BULLSHIT

It's just a car. It's made for whatever YOU want to do with it. I went boost because I wanted to go faster. You want to go slower, go NA, it's all the same to me.

And about turbo not being safe? It's all about the tuning. I'm confidant mine will hold up fine on the road course. Come march, we'll see for sure.

 

if you're worried about reliability, then you already have a beater.. if you can't afford to rebuild and feel like your motor can still survive n/a.. then sell turbo kit so you can keep the r. but if you got the $$$$ for rebuild/repair, then go for it.. why drive with less hp. if you want to track it.. get something for smaller powerband, boost controller and you can have something good for all types of driving.

and winter sucks for driving turdlow cars, you can get it tuned, otherwise wait another month

 

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in all reality u did go agaisnt type r, type r is made for high comp high rpm torque, not low comp big boost. i love the feeling of boost dont get me wrong( i still cant get over the feeling of a friends STI rex with big boost, not 2 mention i eat it anyday) but u gotta decide what u want, personally id prefer my r to run higher comp (talking 13:1) and not have to deal with stupid over heating and other problems turbos create.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you don't have to have low compression for boost and many people don't. i run 10:1 on forged pistons/rods, i'm at 260whp and smallest t3/t4.. torque peaks much earlier and hp keeps climbing all the way to 8700rpm. no matter how you look at it problem wise, there are many things to worry about and more when high hp n/a setup fully built vs turbocharged stock setup (making same hp as fully built n/a setup). but main thing to worry about is money for repairs, if you don't have it don't mess with it in the first place. itr is so peacefull stock