5th gen motor rebuild
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5th gen motor rebuild
I'm looking into rebuilding my motor. I am basically a "newb" when it comes to this and am looking to do it for around $1000. Is there a site or a write up that may have a list of parts that should be changed. I want to mix some performance in there because i hope to turbo the f22 one day. What all should i include and how much am labor am I looking at?
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Re: 5th gen motor rebuild (jagged4698)
waste of money...if your motor needs a rebuild. You're better off finding a lower mileage F22 or an H22. F22 are a dime a dozen, every junk yard as them. JDM H22 are readily available for around $2k for complete swap.
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Re: 5th gen motor rebuild (sinister2c)
why would rebuilding my f22 for turbo be a waste of money. I don't want to be like everyone else who puts an h22 in there... thats starting to become old news.
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Re: 5th gen motor rebuild (jonny05)
Yes but eventually I want to be able to push more then 7 or 8 lbs out of my turbo... So i will end up putting forged internals in then... so why not do it now...? My motor doesn't HAVE to be rebuilt. It just hit 200k yesterday and it still runs hard....
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Re: (TOAB)
Yes but what are the odds of me being able to do the same thing? Thats a lot of boost... and a huge risk... Is there anything I can do to prep the motor to hold at least 10-12 lbs without rebuilding it?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jagged4698 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is there anything I can do to prep the motor to hold at least 10-12 lbs without rebuilding it?</TD></TR></TABLE>
with 200k miles????.... i wouldn't risk it. I wouldn't even trust any boost on it.
If you're set on building an F motor. I suggest maybe the F23, get alittle more displacement. You can probably find one at the junkyards or even EBAY for cheap.
with 200k miles????.... i wouldn't risk it. I wouldn't even trust any boost on it.
If you're set on building an F motor. I suggest maybe the F23, get alittle more displacement. You can probably find one at the junkyards or even EBAY for cheap.
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Re: (jagged4698)
you could buy mine it's non vtec but it's only got like 90k and i live in duluth plus i would deliver or meet! could have it this week 
you can probly just swap the head from yours i'm not sure, is that possible guys?
you can probly just swap the head from yours i'm not sure, is that possible guys?
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I'm sure it prolly could be done but i dont like the idea of that kind of work for something the same or worse then i have now.... Now if you had an h22 i would take that from ya 
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well i will try to answer your original question since nobody on this board ever seems to be able to do so (everyone always gives their opinions on what a better solution is than just to answer the question at hand)...
anyways, the stock f22 motors are constructed with steel sleeves...because of this, you don't have to resleeve the block to incorporate forged pistons...but, i would say the stock sleeves are only capable of holding maybe 15 psi relatively safe...with the forged pistons, i would get new rods and bearings as well, just as a precaution...the crank should be fine as long as you don't plan on revving it any higher than the stock redline...with this bottom end, 12-15 psi should be no problem...as for the head, you might think about doing the (highly unpopular, but heavily beneficial) h22 head swap...your airflow will be increased a great deal, as will the aftermarket support for the internals of the head...
another option however is to aquire a different block to start building so that your car isn't down until the other motor is completely built and ready to throw in...in this case, i would suggest getting a 97+ h22 block and slap in the f23 crank and rods, with h23 pistons...this would essentially make a low compression factory built 2.4x liter motor that is completely ready for boost and serious power...but that's just me...i'd do it if i had the money, but unfortunately other projects have me tied down right now...anyways have fun with your build if you decide to take it on...it will be a good learning project for you...
anyways, the stock f22 motors are constructed with steel sleeves...because of this, you don't have to resleeve the block to incorporate forged pistons...but, i would say the stock sleeves are only capable of holding maybe 15 psi relatively safe...with the forged pistons, i would get new rods and bearings as well, just as a precaution...the crank should be fine as long as you don't plan on revving it any higher than the stock redline...with this bottom end, 12-15 psi should be no problem...as for the head, you might think about doing the (highly unpopular, but heavily beneficial) h22 head swap...your airflow will be increased a great deal, as will the aftermarket support for the internals of the head...
another option however is to aquire a different block to start building so that your car isn't down until the other motor is completely built and ready to throw in...in this case, i would suggest getting a 97+ h22 block and slap in the f23 crank and rods, with h23 pistons...this would essentially make a low compression factory built 2.4x liter motor that is completely ready for boost and serious power...but that's just me...i'd do it if i had the money, but unfortunately other projects have me tied down right now...anyways have fun with your build if you decide to take it on...it will be a good learning project for you...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick H »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well i will try to answer your original question since nobody on this board ever seems to be able to do so (everyone always gives their opinions on what a better solution is than just to answer the question at hand)...
anyways, the stock f22 motors are constructed with steel sleeves...because of this, you don't have to resleeve the block to incorporate forged pistons...but, i would say the stock sleeves are only capable of holding maybe 15 psi relatively safe...with the forged pistons, i would get new rods and bearings as well, just as a precaution...the crank should be fine as long as you don't plan on revving it any higher than the stock redline...with this bottom end, 12-15 psi should be no problem...as for the head, you might think about doing the (highly unpopular, but heavily beneficial) h22 head swap...your airflow will be increased a great deal, as will the aftermarket support for the internals of the head...
another option however is to aquire a different block to start building so that your car isn't down until the other motor is completely built and ready to throw in...in this case, i would suggest getting a 97+ h22 block and slap in the f23 crank and rods, with h23 pistons...this would essentially make a low compression factory built 2.4x liter motor that is completely ready for boost and serious power...but that's just me...i'd do it if i had the money, but unfortunately other projects have me tied down right now...anyways have fun with your build if you decide to take it on...it will be a good learning project for you...</TD></TR></TABLE>
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ps- that idea about the h22 block w/ f23 sounds sick!!
anyways, the stock f22 motors are constructed with steel sleeves...because of this, you don't have to resleeve the block to incorporate forged pistons...but, i would say the stock sleeves are only capable of holding maybe 15 psi relatively safe...with the forged pistons, i would get new rods and bearings as well, just as a precaution...the crank should be fine as long as you don't plan on revving it any higher than the stock redline...with this bottom end, 12-15 psi should be no problem...as for the head, you might think about doing the (highly unpopular, but heavily beneficial) h22 head swap...your airflow will be increased a great deal, as will the aftermarket support for the internals of the head...
another option however is to aquire a different block to start building so that your car isn't down until the other motor is completely built and ready to throw in...in this case, i would suggest getting a 97+ h22 block and slap in the f23 crank and rods, with h23 pistons...this would essentially make a low compression factory built 2.4x liter motor that is completely ready for boost and serious power...but that's just me...i'd do it if i had the money, but unfortunately other projects have me tied down right now...anyways have fun with your build if you decide to take it on...it will be a good learning project for you...</TD></TR></TABLE>
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ps- that idea about the h22 block w/ f23 sounds sick!!
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Re: (deadbymorning)
From what i have heard I thought the h22 head swap to the f22 wouldn't work out? Or is that the vtec/ls swap I am thinking about? Well what would need to happen for the H22 head to go on the f22? Another option i have considered is the DOHC f22? I believe it comes out of the Euro accord? It isn't much of a horsepower gain but it is relatively cheap from what i understand. Would turboing that motor be about the same as turboing the f22 SOHC? Or would there be a lot more to it?
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do a search. the h head on an f block has been done.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1046336
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1069869
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=776837&page=1
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1046336
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1069869
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=776837&page=1
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Re: (TOAB)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TOAB »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sigh...
rebuilding a honda motor is a waste.
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rebuilding a honda motor is a waste.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick H »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyways, the stock f22 motors are constructed with steel sleeves...because of this, you don't have to resleeve the block to incorporate forged pistons...but, i would say the stock sleeves are only capable of holding maybe 15 psi relatively safe...with the forged pistons, i would get new rods and bearings as well, just as a precaution...the crank should be fine as long as you don't plan on revving it any higher than the stock redline...with this bottom end, 12-15 psi should be no problem...as for the head, you might think about doing the (highly unpopular, but heavily beneficial) h22 head swap...your airflow will be increased a great deal, as will the aftermarket support for the internals of the head......</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Took the words right out of my mouth
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Steel sleeves. I thought they were iron. Have not heard of steel sleeves before.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick H »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyways, the stock f22 motors are constructed with steel sleeves...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SuperSlow »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Steel sleeves. I thought they were iron. Have not heard of steel sleeves before.
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my bad, i meant iron...lol, sorry for that misinformation...whoops...
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my bad, i meant iron...lol, sorry for that misinformation...whoops...
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