Ebay alarms – what happened

**** a few years ago you could get tons of good DEI made alarms off Ebay. Now it looks like slim pickings. What happened? Anyone have an alarm hook up?

 

everyone started selling that lame ****

 

i just bought a Viper 791xv off ebay for $203 shipped.

Nope...skip that. I bought it off Pricegrabber.com

 

Ebay has been closing all Dei Alarms aution. DEI probably complained to ebay about unauthorized sellers. I won a Viper 791xv alarm off of ebay, but Ebay emailed me and said do not pay the seller and that they had deleted the auction.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jisu009 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i just bought a Viper 791xv off ebay for $203 shipped.

Nope...skip that. I bought it off Pricegrabber.com </TD></TR></TABLE>

Check pricegrabber. Thats where I get the best prices on all my computer stuff, i got a price of a viper 690xv(or whatever its called) and a local dealer matched the price, and also my radar detector. pricegrabber is a very good source for very good prices.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by w-a-o &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ebay alarms – what happened

**** a few years ago you could get tons of good DEI made alarms off Ebay. Now it looks like slim pickings. What happened? Anyone have an alarm hook up?
</TD></TR></TABLE> As like most things you get off Ebay and other online sites, they do not come with factory warrantys and are not being sold by authorized dealers and DEI and others are getting fed up with pissed off customers that have warranty problems that they can't cover because it was gotten from an unauthorised dealer.
Not that there are not online authorized dealers out there, the place I work also sells online. 94

Support your local retail dealer..... in the long run you are better off, a cheeper price now only turns into a big pain in the a*# later and ends up costing more most of the time, also, you will never get the kind of sevice online that you will get at your local retail dealer

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fcm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> As like most things you get off Ebay and other online sites, they do not come with factory warrantys and are not being sold by authorized dealers and DEI and others are getting fed up with pissed off customers that have warranty problems that they can't cover because it was gotten from an unauthorised dealer.
Not that there are not online authorized dealers out there, the place I work also sells online. 94

Support your local retail dealer..... in the long run you are better off, a cheeper price now only turns into a big pain in the a*# later and ends up costing more most of the time, also, you will never get the kind of sevice online that you will get at your local retail dealer </TD></TR></TABLE>

I worked for an authorized DEI dealer so I am not trying to support his rich ***. I would ask him to hook it up but people are greedy. Honestly DEI sucks and they ruined a lot of good companies PPI for one.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by w-a-o &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Honestly DEI sucks and they ruined a lot of good companies PPI for one. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I can't agree with you more. Most places wont sell you an alarm out the door. If I want to install it, I should be able to. I shouldn't be required to have someone install it for me. DEI wants nothing to do with the end user.

Try getting intaller wiring diagrams from DEI.

I used to have friends in the industry so I used to be able to get this stuff so it didn't bother me so much. Most have moved on to other things so I no longer have this option

 

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I can't agree with you more. Most places wont sell you an alarm out the door. If I want to install it, I should be able to. I shouldn't be required to have someone install it for me. DEI wants nothing to do with the end user.

Try getting intaller wiring diagrams from DEI.

I used to have friends in the industry so I used to be able to get this stuff so it didn't bother me so much. Most have moved on to other things so I no longer have this option </TD></TR></TABLE>I worked at a PPI dealer, and it went for a **** long before DEI picked it up.
I don't know about down in the states, but up here in Canada you can buy anything and install it yourself if you want, all alarms or remote starts come with install guides, and min. one year parts and labour warranty, manufactures give extended warranty, [ up to lifetime over the counter exchange] on product installed at authorized dealers, [as an insentive to have it done by a pro]

As for install wiring guides From DEI, they want you to go to a dealer, so we can pitch the install and or explain the problems of installing it yourself, [just supporting their dealers] if you come into my shop, [ and all the other shops in town ] and you need help or an install manual, I will try to sell you the install, [its how I make my living] but if you are convinced you can do it yourself, I'd be more then happy to print you a copy, and give you a few hints to help you out, [it's called sevice] something you don't get much of with online buying. 94

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fcm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As for install wiring guides From DEI, they want you to go to a dealer, so we can pitch the install and or explain the problems of installing it yourself, [just supporting their dealers] if you come into my shop, [ and all the other shops in town ] and you need help or an install manual, I will try to sell you the install, [its how I make my living] but if you are convinced you can do it yourself, I'd be more then happy to print you a copy, and give you a few hints to help you out, [it's called sevice] something you don't get much of with online buying. 94
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This is all fine and dandy. Around here it's kinda like going and buying a new car then being forced to go to the dealer for service.

There isn't a single alarm made that I couldn't install. Hell I designed my own remote start module and sensor that sensed when the car was in gear. Why support someone elses living when you have no need for them? This is kinda like having to pay someone to push your shopping cart around for you just because someone decided to get a job doing it. How about being forced to have a car stereo installed? Not many would settle for this.

DEI wants nothing to do with the customer.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxxtreme &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
This is all fine and dandy. Around here it's kinda like going and buying a new car then being forced to go to the dealer for service.

There isn't a single alarm made that I couldn't install. Hell I designed my own remote start module and sensor that sensed when the car was in gear. Why support someone elses living when you have no need for them? This is kinda like having to pay someone to push your shopping cart around for you just because someone decided to get a job doing it. How about being forced to have a car stereo installed? Not many would settle for this.

DEI wants nothing to do with the customer. </TD></TR></TABLE> You think DEI wants nothing to do with the customer because they don't supply install manuals online?

You may be able to install any alarm out there, but most people out there can't, a lot of them think they can, and end up on sites like HT to get advice from people like you and me, I checked yesterday, and all DEI products come with install manuals .

Getting someone to push your shopping cart, is hardly the same as getting a pro to install your car alarm, let me ask you this, if you need something done to your car, [that you can't do yourself] who do you take it to? the guy thats trained in cart pushing or someone that knows what he/she is doing under the hood of your car.

DEI does not force you to have it installed, they, like the rest of the car audio manufactures, give insentives, like extended warranty, if installed at one of their dealers 94

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fcm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Getting someone to push your shopping cart, is hardly the same as getting a pro to install your car alarm. </TD></TR></TABLE> It is the same if you don't need there help to begin with.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fcm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">let me ask you this, if you need something done to your car, [that you can't do yourself] who do you take it to? the guy thats trained in cart pushing or someone that knows what he/she is doing under the hood of your car.</TD></TR></TABLE> If I couldn't do it myself (which I cant think of anything) then they wouldn't be cart pushers. My point is if this, you say your an installer, now say you get out of the business and do something different. Now your looking for a new alarm for a new car you just bought, and you live in a different area so you don't know "people". Would you be happy with paying your local installer for something you already know how to do?

If your not given wiring diagrams then you are pretty much forced to have it installed. Last time I checked they weren't giving these out. And most shops wouldn't sell the alarms out the door.

If there is something I don't know how to do I would rather pay myself to learn how to do it then have someone else do it. Most people nowadays are lazy, they would rather pay for everything to get done for them then take the time to learn.

My car don't last past 2 years so a lifetime warrant is worthless to me.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxxtreme &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> It is the same if you don't need there help to begin with.

If I couldn't do it myself (which I cant think of anything) then they wouldn't be cart pushers. My point is if this, you say your an installer, now say you get out of the business and do something different. Now your looking for a new alarm for a new car you just bought, and you live in a different area so you don't know "people". Would you be happy with paying your local installer for something you already know how to do?

If your not given wiring diagrams then you are pretty much forced to have it installed. Last time I checked they weren't giving these out. And most shops wouldn't sell the alarms out the door.

If there is something I don't know how to do I would rather pay myself to learn how to do it then have someone else do it. Most people nowadays are lazy, they would rather pay for everything to get done for them then take the time to learn.

My car don't last past 2 years so a lifetime warrant is worthless to me.</TD></TR></TABLE> Your right it is the same if you don't need the help. but most people do need the help.

No I would not be happy paying for something I know how to do, unless I was being lazy and could afford to pay someone to do it. But like I said, most people don't know, and as for training yourself, if you have the time, thats great, BTW did you know that DEI has one of the best online training for all things to do with car audio sales and installations

As I said before, I don't know about the states , [about getting install manuals] that sounds more like the retail outlet then DEI, DEI does not tell me that I can't use my directech dealer to download an install manual for one of their products, and we sell a lot of alams and remote starts over the counter, seems kind of counter productive for a retail outlet not to, don't you think?

I don't think most people are lazy, they have better things to do with their time, I will bet that the guy that used to be a painter, but has moved on to something else still paints his own house, but does not have the time or intrest to train himself to install an alarm, [ not that he couldn't do it without training] but he has better things to do with his time, like painting the bathroom. 94

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fcm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> As I said before, I don't know about the states , [about getting install manuals] that sounds more like the retail outlet then DEI, DEI does not tell me that I can't use my directech dealer to download an install manual for one of their products, and we sell a lot of alams and remote starts over the counter, seems kind of counter productive for a retail outlet not to, don't you think?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Maybe things have changed over the last couple of years but last I checked all the wiring diagrams were not available. What given to a customer is not the same as whats given to a store. Cliffnet for example there is a customer version and an installer version. Also the access to some features of the alarms are not available to customers but are to installers. (they don't tell there customers how to access those features).

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fcm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> No I would not be happy paying for something I know how to do, unless I was being lazy and could afford to pay someone to do it.

I don't think most people are lazy, they have better things to do with their time, I will bet that the guy that used to be a painter, but has moved on to something else still paints his own house, but does not have the time or intrest to train himself to install an alarm, [ not that he couldn't do it without training] but he has better things to do with his time, like painting the bathroom. 94</TD></TR></TABLE>
Exactly lazy

You should be given a choice if you want an installer to install it or not. Exspecially when the install is 90% of the security.

 

booo to DEI

its so hard for me to find information on a particular amp or whatever from DEI's website unless i email John Durbin who works there ( i always contact him for info).


Fortunately, i know people who works or sell stuff so i don't have to worry about getting the installer to install my alarm.


i called DEI awhile go for warranty service on my DEI amp (not the 1100d) and i told the lady on the phone that i bought it online. she asked me if i bought it from an authorized dealer and it old her that i bought it from "x store" because "x store" said they were authorized. Then DEI told me i have to call the online store to ask them if they are an authorized dealer or not. at this point i thought to myself "Shouldn't you be able to look up if they are authorized or not????" i was puzzled. There goes my relationship with DEI. lol.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSteg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">booo to DEI

its so hard for me to find information on a particular amp or whatever from DEI's website unless i email John Durbin who works there ( i always contact him for info).


Fortunately, i know people who works or sell stuff so i don't have to worry about getting the installer to install my alarm.


i called DEI awhile go for warranty service on my DEI amp (not the 1100d) and i told the lady on the phone that i bought it online. she asked me if i bought it from an authorized dealer and it old her that i bought it from "x store" because "x store" said they were authorized. Then DEI told me i have to call the online store to ask them if they are an authorized dealer or not. at this point i thought to myself "Shouldn't you be able to look up if they are authorized or not????" i was puzzled. There goes my relationship with DEI. lol.</TD></TR></TABLE>Do you know how many retail outlets DEI supplies? 94

 

yes, but there aren't even that many online store to start with. They at least could have punched in their computer the name of the online store to see if they are authorized or not.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSteg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes, but there aren't even that many online store to start with. They at least could have punched in their computer the name of the online store to see if they are authorized or not.</TD></TR></TABLE> Your right, they may have been able to have done that, maybe its diff. down in the states but up here in Canada you don't send your DEI warranty to DEI you take it to any DEI dealer or an authorized DEI warranty repair shop and all you need is a bill of sale, [ from an authorized dealer] 94