OEM ITR is bad, read up inside
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OEM ITR is bad, read up inside
i got a friend that installed rear ITR sway on his coupe and stock civic sway on front with upper rear and front strut bars
he bought ss bushing combined with ITR sway, and he told me that "it wasnt all that, i think people overrated ITR sway." He told me that the performance of ITR wasnt as good as he thought or expected or watever.
I read tons of threads about ITR, and almost all were favored in ITR. Any reasons?
he bought ss bushing combined with ITR sway, and he told me that "it wasnt all that, i think people overrated ITR sway." He told me that the performance of ITR wasnt as good as he thought or expected or watever.
I read tons of threads about ITR, and almost all were favored in ITR. Any reasons?
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Re: OEM ITR is bad, read up inside (Nexx)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nexx »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No lego-building please. 
Put it this way... think of it as everything coming together as a whole rather than one piece at a time. </TD></TR></TABLE>
ok, i think i know what is your problem. Your problem is your philsophy, im not good and i dont have time to think of what you just said. So, will you get to the point, make sure it clear. BTW, my friend's car, not mine. THere are no reasons for me to lie period
Put it this way... think of it as everything coming together as a whole rather than one piece at a time. </TD></TR></TABLE>
ok, i think i know what is your problem. Your problem is your philsophy, im not good and i dont have time to think of what you just said. So, will you get to the point, make sure it clear. BTW, my friend's car, not mine. THere are no reasons for me to lie period
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Re: OEM ITR is bad, read up inside (GsR-Freak)
I think he's trying to say. When comined with all the other suspension mods its money. It's not like a motor where you throw some bolt on and there is a noticable difference.
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Re: OEM ITR is bad, read up inside (GsR-Freak)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GsR-Freak »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok, i think i know what is your problem. Your problem is your philsophy, im not good and i dont have time to think of what you just said. So, will you get to the point, make sure it clear. BTW, my friend's car, not mine. THere are no reasons for me to lie period</TD></TR></TABLE>
What nexx said was pretty straight forward. Lego-building is the perception that slapping lots of random parts that garuntee X amount of power will deliver Said amount of power. What needs to be realized is that all parts need to work together, in a system. In relation to the ITR rear sway bar issue, i think that maybe your friend's setup just isn't working WITH the ITR rear sway, and that maybe something else would work better in HIS setup.
What nexx said was pretty straight forward. Lego-building is the perception that slapping lots of random parts that garuntee X amount of power will deliver Said amount of power. What needs to be realized is that all parts need to work together, in a system. In relation to the ITR rear sway bar issue, i think that maybe your friend's setup just isn't working WITH the ITR rear sway, and that maybe something else would work better in HIS setup.
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Re: OEM ITR is bad, read up inside (b0b0o7o7)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b0b0o7o7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
What nexx said was pretty straight forward. Lego-building is the perception that slapping lots of random parts that garuntee X amount of power will deliver Said amount of power. What needs to be realized is that all parts need to work together, in a system. In relation to the ITR rear sway bar issue, i think that maybe your friend's setup just isn't working WITH the ITR rear sway, and that maybe something else would work better in HIS setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>
nicely put
What nexx said was pretty straight forward. Lego-building is the perception that slapping lots of random parts that garuntee X amount of power will deliver Said amount of power. What needs to be realized is that all parts need to work together, in a system. In relation to the ITR rear sway bar issue, i think that maybe your friend's setup just isn't working WITH the ITR rear sway, and that maybe something else would work better in HIS setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>
nicely put
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Re: OEM ITR is bad, read up inside (b0b0o7o7)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b0b0o7o7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
What nexx said was pretty straight forward. Lego-building is the perception that slapping lots of random parts that garuntee X amount of power will deliver Said amount of power. What needs to be realized is that all parts need to work together, in a system. In relation to the ITR rear sway bar issue, i think that maybe your friend's setup just isn't working WITH the ITR rear sway, and that maybe something else would work better in HIS setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What other suspension mods does he have??
What nexx said was pretty straight forward. Lego-building is the perception that slapping lots of random parts that garuntee X amount of power will deliver Said amount of power. What needs to be realized is that all parts need to work together, in a system. In relation to the ITR rear sway bar issue, i think that maybe your friend's setup just isn't working WITH the ITR rear sway, and that maybe something else would work better in HIS setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What other suspension mods does he have??
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Re: OEM ITR is bad, read up inside (GsR-Freak)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GsR-Freak »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok, i think i know what is your problem. Your problem is your philsophy, im not good and i dont have time to think of what you just said. So, will you get to the point, make sure it clear. BTW, my friend's car, not mine. THere are no reasons for me to lie period</TD></TR></TABLE>
Sorry. Thought I made it pretty clear.
sidenote: don't get too caught up in the F&F, superstreet and sportcompact BS floating around. Be smart and educate yourself. I have no reasons to lie... OF COURSE, if I was trying to sell you a $200 metal tube... PERHAPS.
Sorry. Thought I made it pretty clear.
sidenote: don't get too caught up in the F&F, superstreet and sportcompact BS floating around. Be smart and educate yourself. I have no reasons to lie... OF COURSE, if I was trying to sell you a $200 metal tube... PERHAPS.
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did he only test his sway on regular roads at speed limit? lol i don't know, my friend has an itr sway on his gsr. man, he can take corners and curvey roads a lot faster than i can.
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Re: OEM ITR is bad, read up inside (Nexx)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nexx »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Sorry. Thought I made it pretty clear.
sidenote: don't get too caught up in the F&F, superstreet and sportcompact BS floating around. Be smart and educate yourself. I have no reasons to lie... OF COURSE, if I was trying to sell you a $200 metal tube... PERHAPS. </TD></TR></TABLE>
well forget about complication stuffs. I personally asked some people on HT which are using ITR sway combined with SS pushing and they are very happy with the performance inputs of ITR sway.
oh well....what can be the problem beside "be expects too much from ITR" should he gets other aftermarket sway? what do you guys say?
Sorry. Thought I made it pretty clear.
sidenote: don't get too caught up in the F&F, superstreet and sportcompact BS floating around. Be smart and educate yourself. I have no reasons to lie... OF COURSE, if I was trying to sell you a $200 metal tube... PERHAPS.
</TD></TR></TABLE>well forget about complication stuffs. I personally asked some people on HT which are using ITR sway combined with SS pushing and they are very happy with the performance inputs of ITR sway.
oh well....what can be the problem beside "be expects too much from ITR" should he gets other aftermarket sway? what do you guys say?
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Re: OEM ITR is bad, read up inside (GsR-Freak)
"OEM ITR is bad..." - I came in this thread thinking there was some juicy info about the Type R in general that would make me stop regretting buying a GSR instead back in 2000 
Look, anyone expecting a miracle handling transformation by adding a slightly stiffer sway bar is going to be disappointed. Plus, you have to have a sensitive **** and a careful touch to really notice the subtle changes in handling brought about by such a modification.
The 22mm ITR rear sway bar will push the handling balance of the GSR towards neutral, but by itself cannot get there. For that, you need much stiffer rear springs - or at least adjustable dampers tuned to be rear-stiff.
If you ham-fist every corner, going in too hot, turning too late, etc, the car is going to push like a pig just like stock. However, if you trail-brake a bit, lift off the throttle, enter the turn as you should - you'll notice a significantly more rotatable car. I really liked the change in handling balance - enough to make it less of a pig, but still very stable and controllable. That plus my Koni adjustables can make for a tail-wagging car if I want it to be!
Look, anyone expecting a miracle handling transformation by adding a slightly stiffer sway bar is going to be disappointed. Plus, you have to have a sensitive **** and a careful touch to really notice the subtle changes in handling brought about by such a modification.
The 22mm ITR rear sway bar will push the handling balance of the GSR towards neutral, but by itself cannot get there. For that, you need much stiffer rear springs - or at least adjustable dampers tuned to be rear-stiff.
If you ham-fist every corner, going in too hot, turning too late, etc, the car is going to push like a pig just like stock. However, if you trail-brake a bit, lift off the throttle, enter the turn as you should - you'll notice a significantly more rotatable car. I really liked the change in handling balance - enough to make it less of a pig, but still very stable and controllable. That plus my Koni adjustables can make for a tail-wagging car if I want it to be!
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Re: OEM ITR is bad, read up inside (GsR-Freak)
but your friends coupe isnt an itr. the sway was made for an itr and secondly aren't they the best handling frontwheel drive cars of their day?
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Re: OEM ITR is bad, read up inside (dc2integra)
Why would he now want to go aftermarket?
USDM ITR=22mm
JDM ITR=23mm
I have see a lot of aftermarket bars right around 24-25mm, and i did see one in the RSX forum that was 27mm. But even if he went up to 24mm do you really think he will fell the 2mm difference.
Search in the RSX forum, there was a good thread there about guys looking at a 27mm bar, and the pro's and con's of going with a bar that big
USDM ITR=22mm
JDM ITR=23mm
I have see a lot of aftermarket bars right around 24-25mm, and i did see one in the RSX forum that was 27mm. But even if he went up to 24mm do you really think he will fell the 2mm difference.
Search in the RSX forum, there was a good thread there about guys looking at a 27mm bar, and the pro's and con's of going with a bar that big
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Re: OEM ITR is bad, read up inside (GsR-Freak)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GsR-Freak »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i he told me that "it wasnt all that,</TD></TR></TABLE>
your friend just doesn't know how to attack a corner, otherwise he wouldn't say that
perhaps he was expecting the car to ride smoother in a straight line
going from stock civic swaybars, to an itr rear, makes a tremendous difference in handling
your friend just doesn't know how to attack a corner, otherwise he wouldn't say that
perhaps he was expecting the car to ride smoother in a straight line
going from stock civic swaybars, to an itr rear, makes a tremendous difference in handling
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Re: OEM ITR is bad, read up inside (Dan GSR)
The ITR sway bar works best with the ITR shocks and springs or at least stiffer shocks.
I've tried the bar with the GSR stocks shocks and springs and the ITR springs with
Bilstein sport shocks and the latter works really great. I did feel a difference with just
the GSR shocks but it was more difficult to control the car with the throttle in a tight
corner. It's a front-heavy car and it will push if you push it too hard regardless of the
sway bar.
I've tried the bar with the GSR stocks shocks and springs and the ITR springs with
Bilstein sport shocks and the latter works really great. I did feel a difference with just
the GSR shocks but it was more difficult to control the car with the throttle in a tight
corner. It's a front-heavy car and it will push if you push it too hard regardless of the
sway bar.
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