Since Fram filters suck I am looking for either an AC Delco cross or Puralator cross. Does a bigger version exist to replace the shorter filter in any of these? TIA

 

whats wrong w/ a fram and k&n makes filters too for oil

 

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Tell that to Honda.

 

fram filters do suck there cheaply made. get a oem honda filter for an s2000.

 

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Better tell that to a LOT of GT1, Trans Am, Stock Car's etc....

I love how everyone bashes on FRAM. They make OEM Honda filters along with Honeywell and Filltech.

Please post all the horror stories of how FRAM filters suck. I'm sure they've been the cause of NUMEROUS catastrophic engine failures. :rolls eyes:

 

its not that there bad for your car just not as good quality and fram doesnt make honda filters anymore they once did.

 

As a Turbo Buick owner I have real life experience with cold start-ups using Frams early on. My motor would rattle on start-up due to the filter allowing oil to drain back. Read this nice piece: http://minimopar.knizefamily.n....html

That is real world results with good data. I use only AC Delco on everything. I bought a Fram for my first oil change on the Honda but if I can find a cross in AC Delco it will get the same. I personally like the anti-drainback of the Pure One filters better. Testing done in the Buick world showed it had better construction. Overall though the AC Delco filter gets the nod.

 

Years ago Fram was a quality filter manufacturer. Now their standard filter (the radioactive-orange cans) is one of the worst out there. It features cardboard end caps for the filter element that are glued in place. The rubber anti-drainback valve seals against the cardboard and frequently leaks, causing dirty oil to drain back into the pan. The bypass valves are plastic and are sometimes not molded correctly, which allows them to leak all the time. The stamped-metal threaded end is weakly constructed and it has smaller and fewer oil inlet holes, which may restrict flow. I had one of these filters fail in my previous car. The filter element collapsed and bits of filter and glue were circulating through my system. The oil passage to the head became blocked and the head got so hot from oil starvation that it actually melted the vacuum lines connected to it as well as the wires near it.

 

fram double guard treats me fine

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">fram double guard treats me fine</TD></TR></TABLE> Report on Fram Double Guard:

Another bad filter idea brought to you by your friends at Fram. The filter itself is a slightly improved design over the Fram Extra Guard, but still uses the same filter element. It has a silicone anti-drainback valve, a quality pressure relief valve, and enough inlet holes for good flow. The big problem is that they are trying to cash in on the Slick 50 craze. They impregnate the filter element with bits of Teflon like that found in Slick 50. As with Slick 50, Teflon is a solid and does not belong in an engine. It cannot get into the parts of the engine that oil can and therefore does nothing. Also, as the filter gets dirty, it ends up filtering the Teflon right out. Dupont (the manufacturer of Teflon) does not recommend Teflon for use in internal combustion engines. Please do not waste your money on this filter

 

AC Delco # 1127 is the honda filter instead of using a fram just if you guys wanted to know.

 

I got these from another board:

according to the ACDelco website cross reference catalog these fit:
PF1127
PF2192
PF 967


HTH

 

Intercooler,

Ever check out http://www.bobistheoilguy.com ?

I went around and around with oil filters, and ended up with the Toyo Roki made S2000 filter.

 

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Wrong. They still do to this day. As does Honeywell and Filtech. If you go to your Honda dealer and ask for a 15400-PLM-A01 you will get a Filtech. If you ask for a 15400-PLM-A02 you have a 50/50 shot of getting a Honeywell or Fram. I've got like 3,000+ in stock. Maybe Fram makes them to stringent Honda quality control and is so busy doing that they forgot about the eight billion other filters they manufacturer and just have those shipped in from a slave labor camp in the Philippines.

 

Interesting reading. Thanks!

 

whats so special about a s2000 oil filter from honda then a regular civic filter from honda

 

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Cause its m@d t1t3 JDM y0! G1t 0n th3 b@ndw@g0n y0!

 

S2000 filter is made by Toyo Roki, and it's a nice filter.
The main thing it has going for it is it's additional capacity.
My 02 Si holds 5.25 quarts of oil!

 

as long as you change your oil often enough you don't really have to worry if fram has cardboard endcaps. It will last you the 3k miles just like it has lasted me and it wont do **** to your engine