happy holidays to everyone.
Well.. I just got my car [engine] back together which took about 3 months.
She runs kinda nice now.. short of some tuning. I had the motor tore down because of a ticking noise which no one could diagnose. I ended up replacing the LMA's [200+$$ type r's] not including the labor cost. I had the valves adjusted several times. Then I was told it could be a broken valve spring, so I had the head removed and sent to the machine shop.. who checked the springs to find nothing wrong @ all [$$ labor again]. I was told that it could be a bad injector [ticking noise], so I replaced the injectors [200 bucks] to find that the ticking noise is still present. Depressed, I took a break for 2 weeks then started on the quest to find what might be responsible for this mystery ticking noise. After researching.. and asking every Honda head I can get in touch with.. I was told that it was a spun bearing. I then turned my attention to the bottom end. I was hoping that this was NOT the case.. I couldn't stand the though of my B17 crank being damage. Anyway.. I enlisted a local speed shop.. [jdm speed junkies] to take the motor out and apart to examine the block. The mechanic [sham] took the oil pan off only to find a little retainer that was suppose to be holding the wrist pin of the piston, in the oil pan. The # 3 cylinder wall was scored. Apparently it was stuck between the piston and the cylinder wall. SO.. I had to bore the block to 82mm.. buy new pistons and all the other ish that was needed to re-assemble the engine, bearings, rings , head gasket and so on. I had the head [combustion chamber] match to the new bore size.. and some material removed from around the valves as well. This was told to be a very discreet modd.. shrug.. . Rods were shot peened previously.. and the new wiseco pistons are of the 11.4:1 nature. The block was then sent to Race Craft Engineering in West Palm to be balanced to 1500 rpms. A new 7lbs fly wheel with a new clutch disc was sent as well. A new AEBS manifold mated to a rebored stock TB and was port matched along with the DC sports exhaust extractor. A hondata IM gasket was also installed. With everything back together.. and engine in the car.. all that was needed was a engine management system. I opt for the Hondata s100. I’m currently running on a crappy program, vtec engagement is set @ 5000 rpms.. which is way too low for the Skunk2 Stage 2 cams. Cam gears are set to 0,0. Fuel pressure is set to 40 psi on vacuum. Timing is set to factory specs. The car bogs @ the vtec engagement point for a few hundred rpms.. then pulls strong to around 8000 rpms.. and it seems that the rev limit on this program is higher than 8k. I need a good tuner that is experienced with the hondata system here in south florida. I'm hoping after all this time, money, frustration, that I'm rewarded with a golden 200 [reliable] whp, which seems to be quite an accomplishment for these b series motors. I would like to rev the motor to 9-9.5k and was told that this should not be prob with my current setup. The cams make power up to the 9k mark as per Skunk2. Well.. there you have it folks.. any suggestions? comments? Thanks for taking the time to read my ramblings.
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93 GS-R [DB2]

 

Head:
Original B17A1.
Ported and Polished, exhaust and intake [flow tested 8% better than a type r's].
Ferrea valves, valve guides and other trimmings.
Skunk2 valve springs [sk2's recommendation for the sk2 s2 cams].
Skunk2 retainers.
Skunk2 cam gears.
Skunk2 s2 cams.
ARP head bolts.
AEBS Intake manifold [ported, port matched and flow tested, 100% x 4 runners]note: manifold had flow issues with one of the runner and was corrected to obtain the 100% flow.
Original TB bored 84mm.
Vortec Fuel rail , FPR and FPG.
290cc Injectors.
MSD 8mm wires.
MSD 6AL
DC Sport DAC short stack.
DC Sport 4-2-1 SS header wraped.
DC Sport SS Cat back.
CAT removed and replaced with presilencer.
Block:
Original B17A1.
Bored to 82mm.
Wiseco 11.4:1 + rings.
Shotpeened original b17 rods.
ARP rod bolts.
New water pump. OEM.
New oil pump. OEM.
7lbs flywheel.
Street/Strip clutch/pressure plate.
Entire assembly balanced by RACECRAFT ENGINEERING.
Original YS1 gearbox. [3rd gear grinds above 5000 rpms].
Hondata S100 [untuned]
The motor was assembled by JDM Speed Junkies, located in Margate, Florida.
tidbit: the motor is the original motor. All #'s matching.
The head,block and the gear box are the originals.
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93 GS-R [DB2]

 

i could give you a good tuner in the tampa area. your setup looks really nice. should make 180+ . could be higher w/ better header.

 

pm MASE

 

mase was pmed.
thanks.

 

Jdmspeedjunkies ... i dont know about those guys. My friends motor used 1/2 a quart a day. Yes they built it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 3_South &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Jdmspeedjunkies ... i dont know about those guys. My friends motor used 1/2 a quart a day. Yes they built it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Are you talking about Robert? With the Integra?
If you are.. that motor was rebuilt 3 times and is still having issues.
Robert is a good man.. mad cool in my book.
And yes, he did mention that it was burning a 1/2 quart a day.
I have to say.. my motor was assembled without 1 hitch and 1 week after it was done with about 300 miles on the motor.. we took it to Street Legal Imports in Hollandale, and made a few passes on their dyno.. and the 1st pass.. untuned.. made 191.2 @ 8700 rpms..and 128TQ. We managed to get the tq up to 132..with off vtec tuning and lost 3 hp peak. and ended up with 189.2 whp. However.. when we started tuning the fuel for the high rpms.. and adjusting the cam gears, the valves got slightly bent.. on the intake side. I guess there was not much valve to piston clearance left.. with the head being milled .03 and the block being decked .03. This is why I'm looking for an "experienced" tuner. Though he fixed the bent valves @ no cost, the down time and thought of any more damage happening to my engine is not an option. Sham, Gabe and Jose are really cool guys. They never showed me a bad face or tried to rip me off. And after some research.. I think I'm going to go with South Florida Performance for the tuning. It seems that they have a good rep when it some to tuning the Hondata systems.

 

Yea its Robert. He never mentioned the valves being bent. I did listen to his motor and it sounded crappy but then again he has CP pistons which are noisy IMHO. I told him to drive it a bit longer and keep an eye on the oil consumption. I did not see smoke coming out the breather either. I just dont think the motor should be rebuilt 3 times without overboring the block again and again. They bored the engine .20 over once. (This is the info he has given me). After that, they just honed it. It probably has too much piston to wall clearance anbd the rings are not sealing properly.


Also, why dont they tell him that he should not run N2O on a N/A tuned engine.

 

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Also, why dont they tell him that he should not run N2O on a N/A tuned engine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ok, I gotta ask. If you own a tuned NA engine, what the hell would make you think it;s ok to run spray?

Personally, I don't think it's the builder/tuners responsibility to tell the owner what to do, or not to do. Unless I misunderstood your post somehow

Clayton

 

3_south, it wasn't Robert's valves that got bent.. it was mine. From my understanding, the 1st time the build went sour.. was because of bearing clearance. Then the 2nd time the build went sour was again bearing clearance but.. which was odd.. because the block was sent to Race Craft Engineering.. to be balanced and bearing clearance was set there.
It turned out to be a bad oil pump. The pump was replaced.. and the engine was again set back to RCE and was again balanced. But you should ask Robert for the actual story.
As far as to why he should not be spraying a normally aspirated tuned engine is beyond me. I don't see why he can't. And I wasn't aware that Robert's engine was tuned. Either way.. Robert has been through a lot and was very patient through the whole matter. I wish him the best.
Oh.. if you don't mind.. tell him to call me. I was wondering of he wants to go with me to SFP to get tuned.
Thanks.
-roni3.

 

Sure thing. I will tell him tomorrow.

He is considering spraying close to 200 shot.
Someone has to tell him something.

BTW, when he spun a bearing, they had his crank welded and refinshed. I dont think that was a good idea.

 

ive seen quite a few cars done by jdm sent to pacific and a few other shops. not much engine building experience there. i would know this cause they were asking me to build motors for them and for info on how to build a motor. good luck with your build

im making over 200hp with a stock bore gsr cranked lsvtec tuned on a vafc. i would go to darin at titan for tuning if i were you

 

.derf.. is there any way I can get in touch with you?
As far as the build, I'm hoping that everything is going to be ok.
I not pleased with the neatness of the work but the motor seems to be holding up well.
I have not yet had a chance to really beat on the car due to the fact that it's not tuned. I'm not experienced with modifying Honda engines being that this is my 1st Honda and I see that there are too many combinations of parts that results in many variations of power levels are reliability issues. Most of the mods that were done was from info gathered from the internet. I personally don't know anyone that had a fairly modified motor in their car for more than 1 year. Then again.. I don't have many friends that own Hondas. I've own the car form about 3 1/2 years now.. and for the 1st 2 years.. the car was basically running on boltons. Last year the head was ported and polished and the valve train was upgraded in order for to accept higher revs. Then I come to find that I'll need after market cams to exploit the valve train upgrade and so on.. and I got sucked deeper and deeper in to the rabbit hole. This is where I ended up 7 grand later. I'm hoping it all works out and the engine hold up for a few years. I'm hoping in 2 or 3 years.. Mazda will turbo charge the RX-8[2 kids so i need the back seats]. I'm a rotor head by heart. I've owned over 9 RX-7's. My last one.. before my wife passed away.. ran 12.3 @ 116 mph. on 14 psi. on street tires. I built it.. and tuned it. 1st Gen RX-7 85 GSl-SE.



Modified by myweaponofchoice at 5:40 PM 12/12/2004

 

go to south florida performance....call them at (305)233-8520...they are awesome...little expensive but i guarantee you will never have a problem with their work

 

yeah dude south florida performance kicks ***. also there is central florida turbo in orlando and there is also titan motorsports in orlando. i have had some experience with titan and their pretty good. no experience with CFT except at the track they have a '00(i think) si runnin like 10.4's and they drive it there and back(most of the time).

 

Msg turbogixxer hes awesome with uberdata so im sure hes sick with hondata.Hes also located around the delray area.