Which is better for 97 Prelude SH daily driver/weekend track *****?
I cannot get or find any comparisons of the two. If anyone can steer me in the correct direction, that would be awesome.

 

i have suspension techniques and they are awesome...definetly feels better....but i cant really compare since i never tried DCs....but i do like my ST's sways.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lewdude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Which is better for 97 Prelude SH daily driver/weekend track *****?
I cannot get or find any comparisons of the two. If anyone can steer me in the correct direction, that would be awesome. </TD></TR></TABLE>

How many track days have you done ? In all the time , I"ve never needed/wanted a bigger than stock antiroll bar.

 

98prelude98: Do you have the front and rear setup? Also do you have to get the endlink kit also? Does the end link kit replace the stock swaybar links? My swaybar links are done-for, they knock like a madman! That is why im looking into getting new bars altogether.


bb6h22a: I have gone almost every weekend this summer. It's winter here now and the links for my swaybars are super loud when it is cold. The noise goes away after a while. Do you run your car on a track? Do you have aftermarket swaybars or are you saying that the stock ones are fine to use for track use?

Thanks for the feedback.

 

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bb6h22a: I have gone almost every weekend this summer. It's winter here now and the links for my swaybars are super loud when it is cold. The noise goes away after a while. Do you run your car on a track? Do you have aftermarket swaybars or are you saying that the stock ones are fine to use for track use?

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Yes. It's mostly a track car, trying to be a street car. Anyway, I don't know what the rest of your suspension setup is, but in my experience, the car rotates just fine, but that depends on your driving style preference (and also the tracks you run). I like a more planted rear end, others like more rotation.
Anyway, some questions :

1. What's your current suspension setup; eg, shocks, springs, coilovers, etc.
2. How's your car aligned? Is it cornerweighted?
3. What's your driving preference/style and what are the tracks you run on like ?

 

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Yes. It's mostly a track car, trying to be a street car. Anyway, I don't know what the rest of your suspension setup is, but in my experience, the car rotates just fine, but that depends on your driving style preference (and also the tracks you run). I like a more planted rear end, others like more rotation.
Anyway, some questions :

1. What's your current suspension setup; eg, shocks, springs, coilovers, etc.
2. How's your car aligned? Is it cornerweighted?
3. What's your driving preference/style and what are the tracks you run on like ?
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1. My prelude is completely stock right now, shocks and all. I just got the car in May of this year and im itching on getting it upgraded asap.

2. Regular Alignment, no camber kit or anything. I have a new passenger side balljoint as it was a recall but that is it.

3. I more just like to have fun at the local track. My driving style is basic. I don't drag or street race, I just like ripping through the corners. I am totally into kicking the back end out a bit through corners also. What's the fun if you can't break the back-end loose some of the time, ya know?

The track is small with a lot of smooth corners and a few tight ones. The track is more a parking lot with a crap load of cones. There is a better, more realistic track just outside of the city that I will be going to next year. Until then though, I would like to get the suspension upgraded to some Teins possibly or some Tokico's, haven't decided yet. Also a bushing kit will be in order.

 

DC makes a sway bar for ludes?

 

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Yeah, they do. Well, as far as I know they do. I was on a local Honda forum and someone is selling them off of their car, front and rear. Now that you mention this though, he might have been talking about the strut bars.....Damn, I think he was.

My real point or question I was trying to get to was what is the best swaybar kit I could buy for a person that drives his car daily, pretty hard on the street at that. And also takes the car to the track on the weekends.

I am looking for a full kit also as they are normally a bit cheaper. Im not paying no $600 American dollars for the front swaybar, that is just nuts unless im going to win some cash driving the prelude.

 

I really don't think DC makes swaybars..

Get just a ST rear bar, its a cheap great upgrade..

bb6h22 (forget your real name, damnit) Have you ever tried a bigger/better rear bar on your car??

 

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Yeah your right. My bad.

I think im still going to go with the front and rear kit as it doesn't cost that much. I believe that the ST swaybars are 25mm with a 1 inch diameter. I'm sure that the ST's are thicker and have a larger diameter but i'm not sure what the stock size is though.

 

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Yeah your right. My bad.

I think im still going to go with the front and rear kit as it doesn't cost that much. I believe that the ST swaybars are 25mm with a 1 inch diameter. I'm sure that the ST's are thicker and have a larger diameter but i'm not sure what the stock size is though. </TD></TR></TABLE>

It is not just about the diameter, it has to do with the materials and guage. On 4gen, the beefiest was the progress, and then the old neuspeed. Neuspeed had to wimp down the rear bars after the brackets started tearing out from the chassis. I am not sure about 5gen.

 

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1. My prelude is completely stock right now, shocks and all. I just got the car in May of this year and im itching on getting it upgraded asap.
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At this point, more seat time, better brake pads and making sure the car is mechanically sound should be priorites over "modding" the car. Honest.

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You don't need a camber kit, really. You want some negative camber; I run about -2 degrees all around and it works for me.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">3. I more just like to have fun at the local track. My driving style is basic. I don't drag or street race, I just like ripping through the corners. I am totally into kicking the back end out a bit through corners also. What's the fun if you can't break the back-end loose some of the time, ya know?
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Yeah, but it depends on how much you're sliding; slide too much, and you're losing time.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The track is small with a lot of smooth corners and a few tight ones. The track is more a parking lot with a crap load of cones. There is a better, more realistic track just outside of the city that I will be going to next year. Until then though, I would like to get the suspension upgraded to some Teins possibly or some Tokico's, haven't decided yet. Also a bushing kit will be in order.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'd suggest getting some Konis and some GC sleeves, or something that allows you to adjust ride height and cornerweight; the Tein HAs were a good choice, but they're discontinued and the current offering from Tein, for the Prelude, are too soft - in my opinion.

 

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bb6h22 (forget your real name, damnit) Have you ever tried a bigger/better rear bar on your car?? </TD></TR></TABLE>

No, I haven't. Its only recently that I've found that I'm using too much lift off oversteer to rotate the car through the slower/medium speed corners, but I'm concernced about high speed stability; most of the tracks here have long, fast, sweeping corners that require a planted *** - I'd hate to get rotation when I'm not used to/expecting it.
In all honesty, I'd like to use less of the lift off method to rotate the car (as any off throttle is scrubing speed), but I don't want to curtail the momentum I can keep through the faster stuff by making concesions to the slower stuff - If I could get a little more rotation, with nearly the same high speed stability, I'd be happy.
I was thinking of going with stiffer springs in the rear, as I'm currently running a forward biased setup.
Thoughts?

 

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At this point, more seat time, better brake pads and making sure the car is mechanically sound should be priorites over "modding" the car. Honest.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your right. Brakes and suspension is first. The only reason im getting the swaybars now is because the linkage on all 4 corners are bad and they make a lot of noise. I know I don't NEED to get the kit but I might as well since im down there.

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Yeah, but it depends on how much you're sliding; slide too much, and you're losing time.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I hear ya. But it is fun to mess around also.

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I'd suggest getting some Konis and some GC sleeves, or something that allows you to adjust ride height and cornerweight; the Tein HAs were a good choice, but they're discontinued and the current offering from Tein, for the Prelude, are too soft - in my opinion.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I still have some time to do more research before I decide on what I will do with the suspension.

Thanks for the info and happy racing. It's just indoor go-carts for me this winter. Oh yeah, more too!

 

Anyone knows if those swaybars (esp. the rear ones) are compatible with the 4th gen 4WS ?

 

DC sports

 

Well, you won't really loose stability with better swaybars. I would never put a big front bar on though, it will induce more understeer at the limit.

You will be much faster overall once you learn that with a bigger rear bar, the car is more loose, but you won't spin if you drive it correctly. Foot in the throttle all the time to keep it straight = fast lap times. Your in the throttle all the time!

Its a different feeling, different way to drive, but once you get used to that 15% slide in the rearend, you will soon realize its the only way to go in a FWD car.

I started off with the ST rear swaybar (130$ at nopionline.com) and worked well with lighter spring rates (below 800#) Since I use 1250 in the rear, I had to go to something that could support that spring more, so I went to the 28mm adjustable Saner bar with Neuspeed brackets . Which is just sick!

 

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Are the 28mm bars good for street use? They are adjustable.....does that possibly make the bar a bit weaker as there are more movable parts?

 

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Are the 28mm bars good for street use? They are adjustable.....does that possibly make the bar a bit weaker as there are more movable parts? </TD></TR></TABLE>

28mm is way to big for street use, race only.. There are no extra movable parts, you just change the endlink placement

Just go with the ST bar, you won't go wrong

 

Ahh, I see. I am a bit of a newbie on the whole mechanical aspect of aftermarket parts. I am just trying to learn as much as I possibly can.

It sounds that you have worked around some cars or have good knowledge on them. So I have a couple questions for you if you don't mind.

This is off topic but I have a 92 Toyota (4 banger) that I have to take the engine out and take it apart. I am pretty mechanically inclined (have torn a few engines out of vehicles), but I have never taken an engine apart. I have all the tools i.e. air compressor, engine crane, engine stand and all the necessary handtools. I also got a hold of a shop manual for the Toyota.


Is there any way in hell a fresh, eager to learn wannabe mechanic can take the bottom end starting obviously starting with the oil pan to see if they (me) can find out what I broke down there? I have already looked at my valves and cam shafts and they seem fine.

*edit* I hope im not breaking any rules by asking this as it is not on topic.


Modified by lewdude at 2:37 PM 12/10/2004