i was wondering how the people who have these camshafts like them ? and what is your rev limit set at ? i have not installed them yet i am waiting on the portflow valve springs and retainers and hondata s200.

 

Hey is a Hondata necessary if getting stage 2 crowers? I know the spring and retainer is....

 

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Nopt completly buy highly recomended.

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I had them. I never had the chancve to tune the motor due to technical difficulties. I wouldnt go over the stock rev limit at all. YOu wont make any more power up there anyway.

 

well i also run nitrous and alot of boltons and tuning the car makes power so why not hondata. do you other members agree these cams will not make power over the stock redline ?

 

I have the Crower Stage 2's with non stock idle lobes but I think that your Vtec lobe will be the same.

Mine made power all the way up to the rev limiter but only about 4bhp in the last 500rpm as you can see from the graph. Judging by this I doubt if you would gain much above 8k.

 

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I was only saying you could get away without using hondata like with a VAFC, but you really should use one, or AEM EMS.

 

How can you identify the Stage 2 crowers? Is there some sort of stamping on them?

I ask because my H22 supposedly came with them and I want to verify this.

Also, do they require some tuning? I'm running them with adjustable cam gears that haven't been tuned (and a VAFC that hasn't been tuned yet) and the engine seems like it's not at full power. Can a VAFC and adj cam gears do the job if tuning is what I need for these cams?

 

all crowers have the crower part number etched into the non cam-gear end of them. you can cross reference this with their website.

 

hey firthy when putting ur crower cams in ur engine did u had to do somekind of adjustment or grinding to the rocker or head so u can use the cams?

 

I didn't actually put them in myself, I have a friend who is a mechanic but I was there helping.

He just removed the cam cover and OEM cams then changed the springs and retainers with a special home made tool, didn't even need to take the head off.

The only thing that had to be cut away was the end of the cam cover and plastic cam gear cover so that the cam gears could be adjusted.

I'm hoping to get a bit more out of these cams as I will be installing a Unichip soon, glad I went for the non stock idle lobes as the midrange torque between 3.5-5k is much better as well, don't need to change down through the gears as often now when I want to overtake something.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by firthy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have the Crower Stage 2's with non stock idle lobes but I think that your Vtec lobe will be the same.

Mine made power all the way up to the rev limiter but only about 4bhp in the last 500rpm as you can see from the graph. Judging by this I doubt if you would gain much above 8k.

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wow.....not to shittalk but i have seen I/H/E h22s put down a lot more than that....especially torque wise....down in the 135s is very low....something might be wrong....and 180-185 hp isnt bad but for a cammed engine that seems really low....is that tuned?

i also second the notion that these cams are lobed for a relatively stock rpm band...and wont do well that high up....7800 would probably be the highest reccomendable rpm....

you will be glad you got the s200.....it works MUCH better for tuning than just a VAFC.....it lets you tune ignition tables(aka where 75% of the power from tuning comes from).....

 

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wow.....not to shittalk but i have seen I/H/E h22s put down a lot more than that....especially torque wise....down in the 135s is very low....something might be wrong....and 180-185 hp isnt bad but for a cammed engine that seems really low....is that tuned?
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This is at the wheels so allowing for 20% transmission loss that makes about 230bhp and 170 torque at the flywheel. I'm more than pleased with it, 33bhp over stock is pretty good as far as I'm concerned.

How the hell do you get more than 33bhp from intake, header and exhaust, nobody in the UK gets anything like that on any of their Hondas with those mods.

The inlet cam is retarded by 5 degrees to get it to idle as I only have it set up with a VAFC at present. I'll be getting a Unichip fitted soon so hopefully the inlet cam can be advanced and the fuelling set up better, I'll let you know the results when it's done.

 

well.....i wouldnt think that you would be gaining 33bhp and be hitting 185.....that means you dynoed 150bhp stock...that is very low.....i see h22 baselines all the time at 170.....

that 5 degree retard is definately hurting you a lot.....get that setup tuned and she will put out some kick *** numbers.....i bet you can hit 200bhp

 

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that seems like a lot. i agree with mgags7. get that tuned with that Unichip, and you'll be loving it even more.

 

183.62 hpr and 150.81 torque with stock valve train baby...

 

wow dude....^^^youre wayyy rich on the a/f...lean that out a bit and you put down a few more horses.....nice numbers though!!

 

My baseline with crower stage 2 w/o stock idle ( 301's) You'll like them just dont forget to do a valve adjustment after you install them, mine were wayy off have fun.

 

ludexgenx5 thats a bad@ss looking lude,when u use the bfg tires what size of rim do u use?

 

keith what setup do you have?

 

Nothing crazy...

http://www.stlpreludeclub.com/rides_keith.html

Keith

 

15" , same as the ITR wheels if you can find em... but only works with the OEM brakes.. clearance is tight...